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Animal Cruelty?

It probably doesn't do a whole lot to the snakes (other than stress), but I certainly wouldn't do it. And it makes me a little sick to watch a "professional breeder" do it. =/
 
I think it does more than just stress them. If they're not ready he may be breaking their umbilical cords, thereby cutting off their nourishment from the yolk. This would be especially important because with two or three snakes in each egg, they're probably not getting as much as they should. Could lead to infection and a weak snake susceptible to many different ailments. Notice he mentions that his last clutch with " triplets we lost one".
You'll see it's pretty common to cut BP eggs on a certain day ( 52?) as well, I just don't understand how you can raise a snake, put it through all the pre and post breeding, laying, incubating and just can't wait those few extra days for the snakes to come out naturally?
 
ForkedTung said:
I think it does more than just stress them. If they're not ready he may be breaking their umbilical cords, thereby cutting off their nourishment from the yolk. This would be especially important because with two or three snakes in each egg, they're probably not getting as much as they should. Could lead to infection and a weak snake susceptible to many different ailments. Notice he mentions that his last clutch with " triplets we lost one".
You'll see it's pretty common to cut BP eggs on a certain day ( 52?) as well, I just don't understand how you can raise a snake, put it through all the pre and post breeding, laying, incubating and just can't wait those few extra days for the snakes to come out naturally?
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Ah, I don't know how that part slipped my mind. Breaking umbilical cords and the like must not be as easy as what he's doing with those snakes if he hasn't had enough deaths to stop it, but I could definitely see it happening.
 
Jay Brewer runs prehistoric pets here in SoCal
and has been a sucessful Retic and Rock Python breeder
for quite some time. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.
 
He may know what he is doing but that simply is not right. As said above. For the extra few days it may take, just leave them alone!
 
Also look when he pulls them out, theyre hardly moving. Coming out of the egg on their own is a natural process to build up strength! If they havent come out it means they're not ready. All the literature in the world says leave them alone!!!
 
Statistically, I just find 2 sets of triplets and 6 sets of twins, from one clutch,.....difficult to believe.
 
vetusvates said:
Statistically, I just find 2 sets of triplets and 6 sets of twins, from one clutch,.....difficult to believe.
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Especially in a het X visual cross and ALL of the individual eggs contain the same morph. This implies strongly identical twins/triples and not two embryos encased in one shell. That's just odd odds, to pardon the pun.
 
Don't some of those babies look like they still have yolk attached? Wouldn't it be better to let them alone until they absorbed it? I get the impression that pippies are best let alone to make their own way out of the egg, but maybe that's not true for the species in the video... I'm not going to pass judgement because I don't know enough, but I would like to know what those who do know enough think.
 
I get the impression that pippies are best let alone to make their own way out of the egg, but maybe that's not true for the species in the video...
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I'm not aware of any species of snake that does better when yanked from their egg prematurely.How could doing that possibly be beneficial, regardless of species? You don't have to be an expert to know poor husbandry when you see it.
 
ForkedTung said:
I'm not aware of any species of snake that does better when yanked from their egg prematurely.How could doing that possibly be beneficial, regardless of species? You don't have to be an expert to know poor husbandry when you see it.
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Well, I really don't know enough about snakes to judge so I hesitate to have a strong opinion. I do know it doesn't look good. But I try not to post opinions when I am ignorant.
 
Even in captivity, nature is best left to run its own course.

Would you pull a baby out of any animal before it was ready (unless it was neccassary)
 
I don't even like it when people post photos of a snake still in an egg where the shell has obviously been cut away because the keeper wants to show off the snake already. I guess there has to be some skill involved to be able to get a baby snake out of an egg without damaging it, but why do it at all? Let nature take its course, babies have that egg tooth for a reason. I refuse to cut into an egg unless all of its clutchmates have long since hatched, and the only thing I've ever found inside one that didn't hatch on its own was a snake that was so deformed it wouldn't have lived even if it had been able to hatch. They need to stay in the protection of their egg to absorb their yolk sack, that's why they stay in the egg after they pip and stick their head out. I have seen photos on this site of snakes that were forced out of the egg too soon and still had the yolk attached. I really don't get why BP breeders cut the eggs like that.
 
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