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animal rescue...just a long rant....

Steve'sMom

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I have this nagging ache in my heart lately....and I'm not sure what to do about it. It comes from the stories I keep hearing from people I know about animals, wild or escaped pets, that die or suffer for no other reason but the simple fact that they didn't know what to do about it....or worse, they thought it had to die because of some stupid superstition they have. Everyone tells me to just leave these people alone, you can't save everything and they'll never learn. But I can't accept that. I hate people who just go around saying "oh well, that's just how it is, you'll have to live with it or ignore it". Where has anyone ever gotten with that attitude? Maybe it's easier to just let things be as they are, but I don't think they should be, if there is a way to make them better.

A friend at work came in one day saying he found a snake in his garage. It was early winter, here in Wisconsin, and there was a little snow on the ground. He said he was looking it up on the internet and thought it was a young burm. I said I definately don't want to keep it if it is, but I'd take it anyway and find it a home. That night, we went to his house and, unfortunately, he had just put a box over it and left it in the garage because he was scared of it. I lifted the box, and there was a little ball.....python! It was freezing, but alive. I bundled it up in my coat as I drove home. It was a bit thin for a ball, but still much fatter than a corn. It had scars all over it (looked like burns?) and some kind of abcess on it's head. I kept it for a couple months, it gained weight and lost it's scars as it shed. I took it to the vet, and was told as long as I hadn't seen the swell on it's face get bigger, I should leave it alone. I did, and it too, started to get smaller. I was going to keep it, but I was living with my mom, and it had bit me once and she hated it. So I got sick of her complaining and found it a home with someone who already had experience with balls. The thing that really bothered me about the whole situation, was that the guy who found it had been calling around all weekend looking for someone to take it....and no one would. He called the animal shelter, nature centers, animal control, police, all the local pet stores....no one would even offer a suggestion much less take it off his hands! If he didn't know me, he would have killed it.

Then last weekend, we went to my boyfriend's brother's place. He has a really nice house out in the country and it's completely surrounded by forest that they use for hunting. I would give anything to just sit on their back porch all day and just listen to nature....but not their kids (16 and 13). All they care about is killing stuff. Now, I'm not against hunting, especially when it is used for food. But they have absolutely no respect for nature. Every time I visit, I over hear something that just makes me want to cry....and makes me seriously mad. But I can't say anything, because I can't have the b/f's family not liking me so early in the relationship. One time they said they were trying to kill a woodpecker (can't think of the species...but the big crow-sized ones with the red crest) because it was making noise all the time! Last time I was there, Chris' cousin had just come back in from deer-hunting and said he almost got "that @#$$ing fox". I asked what fox? He said the one that keeps killing rabbits. He said about 12 of them ran by his stand, and then the fox after them. "Why in the world would you kill a fox for killing rabbits????" I said. (That's just as dumb as when their mom said she killed a mom and whole litter of pine snakes in her garage....and now she's complaining that there's mice all over it!) The kids chimed in that they wanted to hunt the rabbits and it pissed them off that the fox was getting some, so they had been trying to kill it. I was so enraged I had to go outside and I just started balling. Of course I knew there was nothing I could do about it...obviously their parents had raised them that way and they think I'm one of those animal rights freaks. I told them not to tell me if they ever got it, cause I guarantee I'd get way more pissed than I am now. I've also heard them talking about killing other snakes (like hog-noses, pines, garters) because they might bite, catching fish and putting fire-crackers in their mouths, and quite often when we go fishing, they keep everything in a bucket then dump it out later when they decide not to keep it, even though the fish are way past any chance of surviving. I told them if they ever find a snake again that they don't want on their property, to put it in a bucket or something and call me. I even told the kids I'd give them a few bucks for it. I hope they will listen, because I know any time they see a snake, it gets a shovel to the head. At least I could go get it and take it to a local nature preserve or something. As for their rodent problem? I guess they deserve it, right? Unfortunately, I don't know about other places, but here in WI, there are lots of people like this. They call themselves "outdoorsmen", they love the wilderness, but don't think any of the animals in it should be allowed to inconvenience them in any way.

It just kills me that there's nothing I can do. I thought about trying to educate kids....but then when I read about it, it seemed so complicated. You can get sued...if any kid happens to get sick, it will be blamed on your animal. You have to have a reptile handler's permit (for a corn snake???),....blah blah blah. Obviously all of society sees wildlife as the enemy and I'm greatly outnumbered.

Anyways, just had to vent. Not many people want to listen to me about my concerns for animals....even my family. I pretty much get the "oh come on, just shut up about it" attitude. If I had any money, I'd start a rescue...but I can't afford to take on needy animals and take them to the vet and stuff. I don't understand why no one around here has done this though.
 
Steve'sMom said:
They call themselves "outdoorsmen", they love the wilderness, but don't think any of the animals in it should be allowed to inconvenience them in any way.

Now that doesn't work. If your outdoorsmen you have to love animals. They are messed up. We actually can't totally blame it on the kids, thats just how they were raised.

Good for you for taking in that ball python and even paying for a vet visit. :)
 
I'd be enraged by those kids, too- but there's no way I could keep it to myself. They need to know there are laws about killing woodpeckers (Pileated is the one you are describing) and foxes (which may be trapped by someone with a license in season). I usually just tell people that kill for the fun of it that they are going to hell for it. I believe that.

Nanci
 
I agree with Nanci. Do you really want to be in a relationship where you are not free to express yourself? I don't care who it is, or how they are related, if they mistreat animals, they're gonna hear about it from me. I've already informed my SO that unless she wants me to blow up at him, I am never to meet her uncle who mistreats his dogs, fish and other pets. :twoguns:

Sometimes you just have to take a stand and tell people that they are being bungholes!!
 
Most people are just ignorant. It sucks, but you've gotta learn to deal with it. It's not ever going to make a dramatic change. My mother used to think that all snakes were inherently evil based on the fact that satan supposedly manifested himself in the form of one in the garden of eden.
 
How will you be happy in a relationship that doesn't allow you to express your feelings and concerns?

Well...I'm no relationship guru,so I'll leave that aspect alone...

As far as the "outdoorsmen" thing goes, it's straight B.S. I am an AVID outdoorsmen. I fish and hunt(small game, bow and arrow), and I am a passionate conservationist. I understand the laws of nature, and I realize that not every creature, or even should, be saved everytime. Sometimes, animals need to die, and sometimes, they even need to be culled in order to preserve the overall health of the habitat.

But what you describe is ignorance and abuse. If it was happening around me, you can bet that everyone involved, significant other included, would get an earful and then some everytime an ignorant comment was made. They would get a lecture about balance in an eco-system everytime they killed a snake and then complained about rodents. They would get an education in habitat control everytime they wanted to kill a fox to save the rabbits. They would get a lesson in aquatic habitat preservation everytime a fish was killed without eating it or improperly released to die later on.

And if that didn't make an impact, I would inform them that a call to the local Game Warden was in order if their ignorant actions didn't cease. And if their ignorant actions continued...a call would be made. It may cost me a relationship, but I have to be honest with you...I couldn't spend my life surrounded by such ignorance. And if I couldn't spend my life with someone, I won't waste my time...or theirs.

I am sorry you are dealing with this situation. And I truly hope you can make it right. For yourself, if not for everyone else involved. Some people simply don't deserve our love and respect, and if I may make a humble observation...I think you need to seriously consider if this relationship and this family are worth your heart and your tears, let alone your time and energy.

Good luck in however you decide to handle the situation...
 
Shade said:
Most people are just ignorant. It sucks, but you've gotta learn to deal with it. It's not ever going to make a dramatic change. My mother used to think that all snakes were inherently evil based on the fact that satan supposedly manifested himself in the form of one in the garden of eden.

Exactly, I know I'm not going to make a dramatic change....but if just a few people stop to think twice because of something I said, isn't that worth it? I know people like your mother....and there's a few of them my big buddy, Steve, has won over :) I had him at a petting zoo once (a friend of mine does petting zoos) and I was so amazed at the reaction by the kids! The parents were terrified of him, but the kids loved him! And he behaved so wonderfully. I think they will remember their encounter with him next time they see a wild snake...and that makes me feel really good.

I agree with all of your comments, but my boyfriend, Chris, isn't like his family at all. Believe me, if he had issues with animals, I'd have issues with him! My dog even had a say in deciding whether to keep Chris LOL In fact, I think him having a different dad than his bro and sis has something to do with it, but he is a LOT smarter. He agrees with me on issues like this. He does hunt, but is willing to let a nice looking young buck go if he thinks it might get even better in the years to come. He loves my animals too, snakes frogs and all. I have said stuff to his brother's kids, but they just kind of look at me like I'm some PETA freak or something. I did not know there were actually laws against killing the woodpecker and the fox, I will look those up and bring it to their attention. Their mom is the one that killed the snake and her whole litter of hatchlings....and a hognose cuz she thought it was a copperhead (in Wisconsin????). I think people have an obligation to learn about the animals that live in their area...many people think there's no need around here, that it pertains more to people who have rattlesnakes in their backyard....but there's two kinds of rattlers in WI, (one of them endangered) and no other poisonous snakes! So when I hear of people killing snakes with no rattles on their tails because they think they're poisonous, I have to go off on them! Anyways, her reasoning for killing the pine snake and her babies was "because I have kids! You wouldn't understand, you're not a mom!". If I WAS a mom, I would definately educate my kids on how to react to wild animals they come across! Isn't that safer??? What in the world is a pine snake going to do to two teenagers???? I'd be more affraid of them reaching for something in a dark corner of the garage and being bitten by some rabid rodent that the poor pine snake never got to eat!!! Anyways, my way of thinking is if I piss them off, they're never going to listen to me. I just need to explain things to them and hope next time they see that fox, they will remember what I said.

That reminds me of another story...shortly after Steve Irwin died, I was talking at work about an interview I saw with Terri. She was talking about being ridiculed by mothers for letting him hold her baby by the crocodile. She said something in response to that, that I will always remember, and stand by. She said it's safer to educated your kids about the animals they are going to encounter when they get older, than to have them come upon one later in life and not know what to do! (If I have kids, I am going to use this advise.) Anyways, I was telling this to someone at work, when another coworker overheard and came over and started talking about how she'd "never put her kids in danger like that, Terri is a horrible mother!". And then, in the same breath, she goes on to say that she was late for work that day because she had to take her son to the hospital. He was in the back yard, un-attended and he picked up a live wild mouse!!!! He came in the house saying it bit him. Her kid could have died of rabbies because she never told him not to pick up a wild animal!!!!! What kind of mother is that?? It could have just as easily been a sick bat. I understand that everyone is not an avid animals lover like I am.....but it is still something kids need to learn about to stay safe, just like learning when to cross a street and stay away from strangers.
 
Steve'sMom said:
how she'd "never put her kids in danger like that, Terri is a horrible mother!". And then, .

And then... you wacked her in the face. :) :rolleyes:



Steve'sMom said:
in the same breath, she goes on to say that she was late for work that day because she had to take her son to the hospital. He was in the back yard, un-attended and he picked up a live wild mouse!!!! He came in the house saying it bit him. Her kid could have died of rabbies because she never told him not to pick up a wild animal!!!!! What kind of mother is that?? It could have just as easily been a sick bat. I understand that everyone is not an avid animals lover like I am.....but it is still something kids need to learn about to stay safe, just like learning when to cross a street and stay away from strangers.

Yep everyone needs to know how to be safe, no matter how big or small.
 
Steve'sMom said:
[Terri] said something in response to that, that I will always remember, and stand by. She said it's safer to educated your kids about the animals they are going to encounter when they get older, than to have them come upon one later in life and not know what to do! (If I have kids, I am going to use this advise.)

Yes, I saw that interview as well. Something along the lines of "my children will be growing up with crocodiles literally in their backyard... and I want them to know how to handle that as early as possible." It's very, very sensible.

I had a colleague whose wife gave birth to their first son this summer, and when she came home from the hospital, he locked their dog in the basement and wouldn't let it go near the baby, or even come upstairs. They were then suprised when a dog-loving relative told them to let the dog out of the basement... seemed to believe they were "preventing aggression" by keeping the dog away. People seem to totally lack common sense when it comes to dealing with animals... it's amazing how dumb they (we??) really are. :shrugs:

Stick to your guns though- someone needs to educate these idiots!! :twoguns:
 
I have a few basic beliefs. Don't be afraid to be an a**hole. Speak you mind. If they don't want to be around you, great. But those who are afraid to speak and agree with you, will love you for it.

Trust the little kids. Mentor them. Give them a baby to raise and you will have an ally for life. I agree that the world is full of ignorant, cruel people. But we can convert the youngsters, one at a time.

Don't give up or give in. If you are the only one in a room with your opinion, you are the only one who knows the truth. Kinda lonely, but kinda feels good too.

So you keep ranting. You got the high ground, baby.
 
I had a colleague whose wife gave birth to their first son this summer, and when she came home from the hospital, he locked their dog in the basement and wouldn't let it go near the baby, or even come upstairs. They were then suprised when a dog-loving relative told them to let the dog out of the basement... seemed to believe they were "preventing aggression" by keeping the dog away. People seem to totally lack common sense when it comes to dealing with animals... it's amazing how dumb they (we??) really are.
I have to fight with people about that all the time. They say I'll have to get rid of my German Shepherd if I have a kid cause he's so protective. On the contrary! I trust him with my life, and I know he'd protect my kid too!


bill38112 said:
I have a few basic beliefs. Don't be afraid to be an a**hole. Speak you mind. If they don't want to be around you, great. But those who are afraid to speak and agree with you, will love you for it.

Trust the little kids. Mentor them. Give them a baby to raise and you will have an ally for life. I agree that the world is full of ignorant, cruel people. But we can convert the youngsters, one at a time.

Don't give up or give in. If you are the only one in a room with your opinion, you are the only one who knows the truth. Kinda lonely, but kinda feels good too.

So you keep ranting. You got the high ground, baby.

Thanks Bill, for the kind words. I will keep them in mind :)
 
My German Shep was a built in baby sitter for my kids when they were small, granted we got her 3 weeks after my twin girls turned a year old, she was a 9 week old puppy. She loved kids, ALL kids. Neighor kids came in the yard to play with her all day every day. But she would never let the parents come in the yard to get thier kids unless I was there to tell her it was alright. I'll never understand the ignorance of people when it comes to animals.
 
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