Another Disappointment

[Alsoknownas]

Maturity is not quoting you in a way that just states the opposite, like you have done to me and a few others in this thread.

You are right, age doesn't correspond with right or wrong. It does, however, offer some life lessons and experience that someone who is younger might not have. In your case, many people who are older than you are telling you how things are, yet you feel the need to argue about it, and are taking no responsibility for your lack of knowledge.

When you are 30, you probably still won't like the hiring process at these place, but you will understand the purpose for it and stop whining about it. You are picking and choosing which parts of my words you would like to respond to, and that shows YOU'RE immaturity. You say you learn from trial and error, well learn from this, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE GETTING YOUR ANIMAL!

I still think it's funny that you think the employee gave you bad information about the UTH. She was right. Just because she didn't state how to rectify the problem, doesn't mean she's wrong or giving bad advice. You, in all your wisdom and maturity, should have known better.

Hahaha, this is too funny. Are you complaining about the way I respond now? I adressed everything directed towards my side of the argument. I don't know, I have trouble deciphering what you meant by that.

I feel the need to argue about it because I don't think you are right. You're trying to say you're automatically right because of your age. My grandfather is 70 and he can't argue with my about computers, yet he has 54 years on me.
I never said I didn't understand the purpose for it, I actually stated the purpose in the post you qouted. I simply said I dislike it and they are at fault.

I'm picking and choosing? I'm pretty sure i'm adressing everything. I can't decipher what you mean by that either, or what in the world maturity has to do with it. I really wouldn't be arguing with someone like you if it wasn't this amusing.

I did do my own research before getting my snake, a day or two before to be exact. I've only questioned a few behavior issues so far.

She reccomeneded I NEVER get the UTH, which is wrong. UTH's are being used effeciently all over, she completely misguided me.

In all my wisdom and maturity? When did I say I was perfect? You seem so immature for your age, I just love how you're indirectly proving yourself wrong.

 

[Hypancistrus]

I did do my own research before getting my snake, a day or two before to be exact. I've only questioned a few behavior issues so far.

But you said in post #30 that you researched for only a day. Now it's a day or two??

And I research for 1 day, yet my snake is fine, as is everything slightly involved with it.

And then there's this enigma...

She reccomeneded I NEVER get the UTH, which is wrong. UTH's are being used effeciently all over, she completely misguided me.

Nope. You initially said that her response was:

The employee there, when I told her I was going to get the snake kit, bent down to look at it and went "Hmm... Don't get this actually, the under-tank heater is harmful to the snake and it'll burn it." and thus I wasted a good twenty somewhat dollars for buying everything seperately.

That doesn't sound to me like she told you never to get one or completely mislead you. You also admitted in the same post that you had already "researched" and read that UTH's were the way to go.

I had gone and done research on the animal before buying it, and that includes seeing people who effectively use UTH. Yet, this employee before me told me the flaw and it was my instinct to trust her, since she works there.

Did you read Kathy Love's book by any chance?? She advocates use of a heat pad, as does every single post I've ever seen on this site. :shrugs: Why was there confusion if you'd already researched?

I think there was confusion because you didn't do ENOUGH research... one day isn't enough to research a car or a bike, let alone something living, with actual real needs.

Sorry, I don't usually dig up things like this... but you've gone a bit over the top here. Why can't you see that it's not an employees responsibility to research your pet for you??

 

[Hypancistrus]

By the way, in all seriousness, if you haven't read Kathy's book, it's the bible on Corn Snake care, and you really should. It's got everything you'd ever want to know about Corn Snakes. Even if you didn't do your research before buying, that doesn't mean it's too late to start now!

 

[Alsoknownas]

But you said in post #30 that you researched for only a day. Now it's a day or two??



And then there's this enigma...



Nope. You initially said that her response was:


That doesn't sound to me like she told you never to get one or completely mislead you. You also admitted in the same post that you had already"researched" and read that UTH's were the way to go.



Did you read Kathy Love's book by any chance?? She advocates use of a heat pad, as does every single post I've ever seen on this site. :shrugs: Why was there confusion if you'd already researched?

I think there was confusion because you didn't do ENOUGH research... one day isn't enough to research a car or a bike, let alone something living, with actual real needs.

Sorry, I don't usually dig up things like this... but you've gone a bit over the top here. Why can't you see that it's not an employees responsibility to research your pet for you??

You're going to take things that literal? He said a month. Do you think he researched for exactly 31 days or whatever amount of days the month had? I spent a day or two typing in "corn snake" on google and reading. By the way, that doesn't mean I spent 24-48 hours, just in case you have trouble comprehending modern english and the way things aren't said literally.

She reccomended I don't get the UTH. That means don't get it, she didn't say don't get it this month, she said don't get it as in never. Unfortunately I am not super-human and I cannot remember every single word said to me.

I didn't do all my research on these forums, I simply read other sources, and they were mixed between lamps and UTH. Added with her advice, I chose the lamp.

Yes, my detective friend, that day was enough for me to decide on getting the snake. I'm still right now learning, because it is my first. The research simply aided in my desicion, and the snake is currently being properly taken care of because of it.

If it's not their responisibility to research what they're selling, if they don't research what they're selling, why do they act as if they do?

And actually, I ordered the Corn Snake manual about 5 hours ago on Amazon.

 

[Hypancistrus]

just in case you have trouble comprehending modern english and the way things aren't said literally.

One of the things that betrays your age (even without the number) is how you are unable to engage in a debate or discussion without using thinly veiled insults towards the people you are speaking with. I believe you will find little tolerance on this site for such comments, and you will also not be taken as seriously as you would were you to avoid such remarks.

But again, your loss.

And actually, I ordered the Corn Snake manual about 5 hours ago on Amazon.

I'm glad. It really is the best, and most comprehensive, book on Corn Snakes out there. You really don't need any other book.

 

[Alsoknownas]

One of the things that betrays your age (even without the number) is how you are unable to engage in a debate or discussion without using thinly veiled insults towards the people you are speaking with. I believe you will find little tolerance on this site for such comments, and you will also not be taken as seriously as you would were you to avoid such remarks.

But again, your loss.



I'm glad. It really is the best, and most comprehensive, book on Corn Snakes out there. You really don't need any other book.

I just couldn't believe how you were scrutinizing every one of my posts to find flaws. But it was unnesessary and I will apologize for that.

 

[Hypancistrus]

Apology accepted, and I apologize for scrutinizing your posts. But one of the things you will learn as you live a while (and hey- I am not THAT much older than you!!!) is that you can only rely on yourself, and throwing blame to other people serves no purpose other than to hinder your growth.

Whatever you decide to do in the future, be it school related, pet related, or just general life decisions, you have to take responsibility for your decisions, and being responsible means going out of your way to research your options and potential results before jumping in head first.

And trust me, it's something you're going to have to learn and practice over time. Even at my "wise old age," I have found that I still have a tendency to dive head first with regards to personal decisions- just not with regards to my pets. :crazy02:

 

[PnyKlr]

I did not say I was right because I was older than you, I said we were right because we are more experienced than you. Certainly, there are people who are more experience than I have and are younger than I am.

Let me say this again: I DID NOT SAY I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I AM OLDER YOU! Did you get it that time? *Good*

Here's what I am saying: Overwhelmingly, there have been more people saying "Do your own research, don't rely on the employees" than people saying "Those employees should know about everything in the store."

Certainly, we all wish that the employees were better informed/cared what they were doing, but that is not the case. Nor will it ever be the case, because, from a business standpoint, it is unnecessary money that would be wasted.

So the way it will be for the next five year (at least): Don't rely on employees for your information. Also, don't rely on only one source for your research (that tidbit should help with school research projects).

I hope I've made myself clear on these points. I don't want to leave anything to interpretation.

 

[PnyKlr]

Whatever you decide to do in the future, be it school related, pet related, or just general life decisions, you have to take responsibility for your decisions, and being responsible means going out of your way to research your options and potential results before jumping in head first.

This is exactly why I jumped all over it. Too many people have a problem saying "Hey, I screwed up, but I've learned from my mistake and I'll try not to let it happen again."

 

[Alsoknownas]

I did not say I was right because I was older than you, I said we were right because we are more experienced than you. Certainly, there are people who are more experience than I have and are younger than I am.

Let me say this again: I DID NOT SAY I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I AM OLDER YOU! Did you get it that time? *Good*

Here's what I am saying: Overwhelmingly, there have been more people saying "Do your own research, don't rely on the employees" than people saying "Those employees should know about everything in the store."

Certainly, we all wish that the employees were better informed/cared what they were doing, but that is not the case. Nor will it ever be the case, because, from a business standpoint, it is unnecessary money that would be wasted.

So the way it will be for the next five year (at least): Don't rely on employees for your information. Also, don't rely on only one source for your research (that tidbit should help with school research projects).

I hope I've made myself clear on these points. I don't want to leave anything to interpretation.

As this argument progresses page by page it loses track of what the original debate was. We both agree that they shouldn't be trusted and that they aren't reliable. We only differ on whether they should be given a break about it or not. Therefore, people who believe they should can cut them a break and people that believe they shouldn't, won't.

 

[PnyKlr]

Then we'll agree to disagree.








Do some research :grin01: (that was me poking fun at getting the last word in...don't get all "you're immature" on me... :crazy02: )

 

[MulatteMadness]

not nice people

wow i feel a little offended... i work at a pet store.. and our specialty people know what they r talkin bout... between most of us we own reptiles, amphibians, small animals, birds. there are a few who dont know much but the majority of us do... i dont even work in that department but the whole store is full of people who have typical and/or exotic animals.. u guys shouldnt judge us all... :angry01:

 

[Eremita]

So, wait, should we now trust pet store employees if they tell us something? I think folks were trying to come up with a general rule since when you talk to a pet store employee the ones who mislead you often sound as knowledgable as those who know what they're talking about, and you don't know them from Adam. At least here, you can observe folks over time and get a sense of their experience and knowledge. I don't tend to believe anything one random person tells me, whatever the topic or setting, and employees are certainly random. I like evidence or at least consensus.

-Sean

 

[MulatteMadness]

im not saying that at all.. what i am saying is that it isnt fair to judge all by the mistakes of some... that would be like me saying that you are a jerk based on ur judgemental reactions... however i would not assume that because i dont know u... remember ASSUME.. u make an ASS OF of you to ME.. no harm meant just dont judge people so harshly

 

[Eremita]

Whoa, hold on there, tiger. You're slurring your "you"s, now. You wouldn't want to say I'm a jerk because that's a personal attack, which is frowned upon here. You can send me that in a PM if you like, but I'll probably just delete it.

Bobo's Mama said something quite favorable about a pet store employee, but she wasn't fuming at others about it. I haven't really seen anything to the effect of "all pet store employees are poorly educated and lie to you," but rather that there are plenty of cases of this, so the buyer should educate themselves outside of the pet store. My interpretation, anyway.

-Sean

 

[Islandzoo]

I think the best thing to do, is not just take one persons word for it.

But it's difficult - YES people should do their research, but remember some people are naive and genuinly believe that asking someone in a petshop is enough. They assume the person selling the animal knows what they're talking about.

On the other hand I agree that it's not neccessarily the employees fault - at the end of the day they are paid to make a sale not give advice.

I think most sensible people would go down several roads in their search for information.

the first thing I did was to ask. Then I did several searches online, Then I went on amazon and chose Kathy Love's book, because it seemed the most up to date book available. (good choice it seems) then I did some more on line searching, where I found this forum.
Oh and I also asked around forums I already belonged to, I found on my parrot forum 2 people who keep corns.
I asked the lad in the reptile section of the pet shop, and admit, I wasn't sure because he looks so young, but as it happens he keeps snakes at home and he said kind of 'well this is what I do, this is what I would do, but I'm no expert' Kind of thing so he wasn't trying to pretend he knew everything, but was helpful just the same.

I could say Oh well I know what to do now, but I keep re-reading the book and even when I get all my equipement I might well come back here and say 'hey, this is how i've set my tank up, what do you think?'

at the end of the day, if you ask 20 people for advice on the same subject chances are there will be a 'majority opinion' and chances are, it's more likely to be the way to go.

 

[Hypancistrus]

wow i feel a little offended... i work at a pet store.. and our specialty people know what they r talkin bout...

There are exceptions to every rule. :shrugs:

 

[MulatteMadness]

Whoa, hold on there, tiger. You're slurring your "you"s, now. You wouldn't want to say I'm a jerk because that's a personal attack, which is frowned upon here. You can send me that in a PM if you like, but I'll probably just delete it.

Bobo's Mama said something quite favorable about a pet store employee, but she wasn't fuming at others about it. I haven't really seen anything to the effect of "all pet store employees are poorly educated and lie to you," but rather that there are plenty of cases of this, so the buyer should educate themselves outside of the pet store. My interpretation, anyway.

-Sean

i would never say that because it is a personal attack... i was using it as an example... i have no need to insult u... i just am standing up for my coworkers and myself. wow u take me way too seriously... nothing i said was meant to sound like "fuming" i was simply stating facts... if i actually cared about what people say on here for more than 30mins i would be extremely stupid... anyhoo this is getting old real quick... older members seem to like to pounce on newer ones really quick... well sorry but i may be newer but i still get to have an opinion and that opinions would be to leave ur assumptions at the door

 

[Eremita]

Well, you made vulgur use of the word "ass", in caps no less, so that was the impression I got.

Hey, I'm a newbie too. I'll go at it with newbies and old folks alike, but I hope no one walks away thinking I don't like them or anything. I don't respond to posts from people who really bug me. What's the point?
:cheers:
-Sean

 

[MulatteMadness]

well personally the use of it was to emphasize my break down of the word assume... so if u took offense to that its ur issue not mine... and i would never walk away thinking anything about not liking u cuz u really dont mean much in my life.. but obviously u responded to my post... whatever i just was making a point and standing up for people that others on this post put down :grin01: