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Another School Issue

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Outcast

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If you were a female teacher and a 16-18 year old male viciously attacked you in front of all of your students would you fight back?


This happened at one of the local schools and the teacher fought back because the boy was beating her silly, She ended up getting fired over the whole mess and he ended up getting suspended for a couple of weeks or so.


I personally would have knocked him out and dealt with the repercussions later on, but that's because I believe that she was in her rights to defend herself.


Take note, that non of the other students tried to help her out because they were afraid of this boy.

Oh, and this occurred a few years ago.
 
Need to know facts. While it was wrong of him to attack her, did she provoke him? Was she one of "those" teachers? We all had one or two, or I know I did, who were just not good at teaching but great and antagonizing certain kids.

Was he a banger? Had someone helped her would they then have become a target? It's easy to say, once you're a bit older, "I would have...." but quite another to be a kid and know that if you help out you could be in serious trouble. Or that your friends and family may suffer because you did the right thing.

Not enough facts to get a good handle on the situation other than he should not have hit a girl, teacher or not.
 
If you fight back you risk losing your job. A teacher in Baltimore City was beaten by one of her female students while other students jeered and filmed the event with their cell phones. She fought back and lost her job.

I am not really sure what I'd do if a student took a swing at me.

Probably try to protect myself and neutralize the student... but I'd be expecting issues. I broke up a girl fight earlier this year... two girls who were punching, biting, and kicking. I grabbed one girl and another female teacher got the other. When I pulled mine back our legs got tangled and she fell back on top of me. The AP was relieved that the camera was right over us at the time and that the girl fell on me, and not the other way around... otherwise issues could have arisen.

Outcast said:
If you were a female teacher and a 16-18 year old male viciously attacked you in front of all of your students would you fight back?
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well if i were anyone in that classroom i would have already put the kid out before he got to far. that doesnt fly with me. even if he woulda stood up backtalking i would probably have clocked him. i hate people that think theyre better than others and disrespect people. especially hate guys that disrespect women.

as the teacher though. she should have full rights. a male of that age should be considered an adult if theyre adult enough to drive and work. maybe like a small pre pubescent 14 year old no dont fight back on him just kind of restrain. but she was probably overpowered so she should fight back.

just my thoughts.
 
That's strange. I don't know if it's different around here, or what, but I think I remember my middle school math teacher saying that, in our school district at least, the minute the kid lays a hand on a teacher the teacher has the right to defend him or her self. I remember this because my teacher was a BIG guy and he was always there to stop fights, and one day a kid tried to punch him and the teacher just nailed him up against the walled and waited for him to calm down.
I'm not sure if I've got this right, but it's just what I remember. It was quite awhile ago, so the details are fuzzy. Don't quote me :p
 
It wasn't even that she threw any punches, She tried to hold him away from her and he kept hitting her... From what I understand of the situation, He was a bad egg to begin with and got an F on a test or something and when he told her that he did not deserve it she told him that he should have studied, that's when he went ballistic.

I don't know if he was a banger or not but I know that I would have still done something, I am better at wrestling than I am punching but I know how to dodge till I have the upper hand. If I had to I would have held him until someone else came to hold him off me....
 
It really is a tough call without knowing the full details. The other kids could have been at serious risk if they tried to help. We would all like to think that we are better than that and would take the risk without pausing, but I wonder how many of us actually would react that way in the moment. Self-preservation is a very powerful instinct.

I'd like to think that as a student I would have helped her. But the reality is there are certainly scenarios where I can see myself fearing for my own safety, as well, such as with gangbangers, as was mentioned.

Regardless of this particular situation and it's specifics, I think it is utter BS that teachers are not allowed to defend themselves from an assault. That seems fairly ridiculous to me. I'm pretty sure that if I was a teacher, male OR female, in a situation like that...I'd lose my job.
 
I don't buy that. Anybody and everyone has the right to defend themselves. Nobody is expected to stand there and take a beating without trying to defend themselves. Not in any school or any other setting.

Now that is under the circumstances you have described. If you incite an attack then you are on your own. But if a teacher while performing her duties as a teacher is attacked by a student, another teacher, a parent, anyone, that teacher has the right to defend themselves.

Don't be silly people.
 
wade said:
I don't buy that. Anybody and everyone has the right to defend themselves. Nobody is expected to stand there and take a beating without trying to defend themselves. Not in any school or any other setting.

Now that is under the circumstances you have described. If you incite an attack then you are on your own. But if a teacher while performing her duties as a teacher is attacked by a student, another teacher, a parent, anyone, that teacher has the right to defend themselves.

Don't be silly people.
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As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Wade on this one.
There has to be more to the story then what we've read here. I for one would like to read an article of what happened and maybe even eyewitness accounts from others who were there at the time.
 
snakemom1961 said:
As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Wade on this one.
There has to be more to the story then what we've read here. I for one would like to read an article of what happened and maybe even eyewitness accounts from others who were there at the time.
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Like it or not, there probably isn't. My department chair lost his job as an assistant principal in a neighboring county because when he was breaking up a fight between two boys who did not stop fighting when asked to, he grabbed the one kid and pushed him up against the lockers, leaving a bruise on the boys chest where the locker dial hit him.

A substitute teacher in my town just left his job because of parental outcry when two boys who were fighting in his class were pulled apart, and there was a bruise on the one boys neck where the teacher grabbed him.

In this county, if you defend yourself against students that are hitting you, or if you break up a fight and one of the students is in any way injured, there is a very probably chance that you could lose your job.

But hey, we get summers off, right?
 
Hypancistrus said:
Like it or not, there probably isn't. My department chair lost his job as an assistant principal in a neighboring county because when he was breaking up a fight between two boys who did not stop fighting when asked to, he grabbed the one kid and pushed him up against the lockers, leaving a bruise on the boys chest where the locker dial hit him.

A substitute teacher in my town just left his job because of parental outcry when two boys who were fighting in his class were pulled apart, and there was a bruise on the one boys neck where the teacher grabbed him.

In this county, if you defend yourself against students that are hitting you, or if you break up a fight and one of the students is in any way injured, there is a very probably chance that you could lose your job.

But hey, we get summers off, right?
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DANG!!! I'll have to talk to my sis inlaw to see what the laws are here in our state. She's a teacher up north and does have to deal with situations like this on occasion. I just wonder what rights, if any, our teachers have here in MI.
 
Lauren, I hope you're wrong. If that is really true then your teachers union needs to have a serious talk with your lawmakers.
 
wade said:
Lauren, I hope you're wrong. If that is really true then your teachers union needs to have a serious talk with your lawmakers.
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Absodamnlutely.

One would also have to wonder why one would accept a position in such a system. Knowing you can not only be assaulted but fired if you defend yourself seems ..... like a very bad choice.
 
wade said:
Lauren, I hope you're wrong. If that is really true then your teachers union needs to have a serious talk with your lawmakers.
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I hate having to agree with you, wade.

Seems to me that Teachers, just like any other citizen of the United States, should have the right to defend themselves from physical harm. I think that's absolute crap if you guys are seriously expected to alloow yourselves to be beaten on in order to keep your job. Seems there should be something that can be done to remedy that...
 
tyflier said:
I hate having to agree with you, wade.

Seems to me that Teachers, just like any other citizen of the United States, should have the right to defend themselves from physical harm. I think that's absolute crap if you guys are seriously expected to alloow yourselves to be beaten on in order to keep your job. Seems there should be something that can be done to remedy that...
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We are now allowed to press charges afterwards and allow the law to handle it. In the past, administrators would discourage teachers even from doing that.
 
What did I read a while back where a certain school district allowed the teachers, who had the license to do so, to carry handguns... Or was that just a rumor? I can't remember, It was a while back. But, I remember thinking to myself that It was a good idea, since kids are starting to bring guns to school....It makes for a quick stop I think, but then you have the crazies....
 
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