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Any one know how to get rid of fruit flies?

carol

Down with the sickness
Hi all!
It seems like I have an infestation of fruit flies, or some other tiny little fly, in my incubators this year. I've always had a few that go straight for the bad eggs. However, in the last week, I've have them everywhere, even in clutches with no bad eggs... yet :(. They seem not to bother the healthy eggs, but I'm not about to experiment on how long it will be before they do. I found a couple of different suggestions googling it, such as this...
http://www.abc.net.au/riverina/stories/m754257.pdf
Just curious if anyone has any experience with something that actually worked.
 
I keep dart frogs and have experience breeding fruit flies as feeders, I can see why they may have gotten out of control in you incubator as it is perfect for their life style. I would say if it's possible raise you incubator temps to just over 30C at temps of 30C the fruit fly becomes incapable to reproduce. Their life span as flies is only about 1-2 weeks based on species.
 
ah, THOSE flies...

we are talking the little black ones right? Last year I had them show up from using moss I got from one place. This year I got moss from a diff place and the flies never showed up. So I didn't have flies till I had been incubating last year. Anyhow, how did I get rid of them. Well it seems our dry cold air we get in the fall did the last of them in. I just did the best I could to kill them all off. Sprayed Proventamite (sp) around the interior of the cage I kept the baby deli cups in. This will, should kill any bug in the area. Plus perhaps putting up fly strips in the room will help. It's the moist egg boxes they want to hang out in it seems. I'm assuming these are the same flies Kathy talks about in her book. Good luck! I think mine died off simply cause no more egg boxes existed, so dry air, and then cooler in the fall, plus the Proventamite spray.
 
Uh oh...I had phorid flies last year to get attracted to my eggs. And while initially interested in the fungusing/dead ones...I went on vacation thinking "Bad eggs don't hurt good eggs". I removed the dying/dead eggs and thought the problem would correct itself. No dead eggs, no flies.

While I was gone, two clutches were supposed to pip, they were late and should have pipped before I left really. But I thought to myself, "Self, you leave them in the container together for a week to shed anyway, they'll be ok." I just put in a small water dish and left them be.

So a week later I came back to find hatchlings and pipplings having been eaten alive by maggots. The flies must have laid eggs on the pipping snake eggs (they do smell like decaying bell peppers), and if its warm enough fly eggs hatch in a few hours time and they began to eat. They ate 20+ hatchlings before they even had a chance. I got home to see the destruction and to have to euthanize two gorgeous motley babies that were somehow still alive, but had a gut full of writhing maggots.

To be sure, are they fruit flies or little black flies?

Fruit flies have a striped abdomen and the classic red eyes.
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The little black flies could be Phorid flies, which resemble fruit flies very closely, although they lack the red eye and are slightly humpbacked.

Phorid flies are attracted to decaying organic matter. You can tell if they're Phorid flies by the manner of their habits, when you shoo them off, do they run a short distance before taking flight? If so, they're Phorid flies. All other flies will immediately take flight.

The best advice I can give after having them decimate two clutches of pippies last year, is to cover the air holes on your incubating boxes. If you don't want to do tape, maybe Elmer glue a patch of paper towel/coffee filter over the vent holes if you're concerned about airflow and see how that works. Then try to limit their food and breeding sources and curb their population.

Here's an informative page about Phorid flies, just ignore what they try to sell. Phorid Fly Information

Fruit flies can be attracted to a trap, which I purchased, as they're attracted to our undercabinet compost container that we put in scraps of organic material destined for our compost pile. The trap worked really well, its filled with vinegar which the fruit flies are attracted to. They go in the cone shaped holes and can't find their way back out and end up drowning.

Fruit Fly Trap

Hope that information helps a little bit.
 
Taceas said:
So a week later I came back to find hatchlings and pipplings having been eaten alive by maggots.


I had the same thing happen last year! :cry:

One clutch was late hatching and I had to go away for a 4 day weekend. Came back and some of the snakes had these maggots in the bellies. I lost a few to the flies but I was back in time to save the rest. Stupid Flies!!! I actually keep some of the spiders (non animal hurting ones) around in my facility to keep the flies at bay. I've actually pondered letting go some med. geckos... Hmmmm :idea:
 
I have actually had great success using the traps Taceas mentioned.

You take a bottle (preferrably glass so it won't tip over easily) fill it 1/3 full with Apple Cider Vinegar and add a cone leading into it.
The cone is usually made of cardboard or something stiff and smooth so the fruit flies can't climb back out. It's just rolled into a tapered cone and placed ito the neck of the bottle.

If you want I can take photos of mine when I get home tonight. It works like a charm for Fruit flies.
 
Arcanefate said:
I have actually had great success using the traps Taceas mentioned.

You take a bottle (preferrably glass so it won't tip over easily) fill it 1/3 full with Apple Cider Vinegar and add a cone leading into it.
The cone is usually made of cardboard or something stiff and smooth so the fruit flies can't climb back out. It's just rolled into a tapered cone and placed ito the neck of the bottle.

If you want I can take photos of mine when I get home tonight. It works like a charm for Fruit flies.
I have the same problem. My wife just walked in the door from buying the Apple Cider Vinegar. This trap works great. You will see the number of little flies drop off in a couple of days.
 
Taceas said:
Phorid flies are attracted to decaying organic matter. You can tell if they're Phorid flies by the manner of their habits, when you shoo them off, do they run a short distance before taking flight? If so, they're Phorid flies. All other flies will immediately take flight.

The best advice I can give after having them decimate two clutches of pippies last year, is to cover the air holes on your incubating boxes. If you don't want to do tape, maybe Elmer glue a patch of paper towel/coffee filter over the vent holes if you're concerned about airflow and see how that works. Then try to limit their food and breeding sources and curb their population.

Here's an informative page about Phorid flies, just ignore what they try to sell. Phorid Fly Information

:awcrap:

Hell, I can barely get them to take flight at all, they just "crawl" away and won't fly off unless I really get close. I also put in a trap using banana and they aren't the least bit interested. Maybe I'll try a dead pinky, boy that ought to smell great after 24 hours in the incubator. OK, maybe a dead egg instead. I'll try covering holes too, but they are already in everything. What a project this is going to be!
 
I would say if its not too much work, I would change all of the eggs into new containers with new substrate with the holes covered. Adding in something they like is only going to attract more, I would think.

Think of it like those Japanese beetle traps. Stick one of them babies in your yard and you'll have millions from all over the county in no time. Where if you just leave it as is and spray your plants or whatever, not as much to deal with.

I still don't know where mine came from, really. I've never seen them since, thankfully.
 
Question for all of you who had fly problems...

Were you using vermic/perlite or were you using moss?
 
Joejr14 said:
Question for all of you who had fly problems...

Were you using vermic/perlite or were you using moss?

I've only had problems with the flies when using the peat moss and sphagnum moss (for my nest boxes). I'm using vermiculite in the egg boxes and haven't had problems with flies in my egg boxes or incubator.

Unfortunately, I still have to deal with flies that have hatched from the moss. Luckily, I haven't seen very many.
 
Moss for me when I had the problem.

I had a hard time finding good quality moss last year. I guess there was a shortage of supply or something, no one had any it seemed. So I ended up with what I would consider piss-poor quality moss. It had a lot of fibrousy sticks and leaves in it, which after a week of being rehydrated would promptly mold over.

This year, the moss I got was compressed into a brick and vacuum packed, and so far it has been clean as can be, and great in all regards.

This is my first year of seriously trying out vermiculite for any length of time. So far, its ok. I don't like how it clings to the eggs really, but its decent enough. I still like the 'comfort' of moss though.
 
I use almost exclusively moss. I think it works really well and you can lay a little on top of the eggs if they need extra hydrating.

Besides, that warning label on the vermiculite about cancer and stuff makes me a little wigged out....
 
Joejr14 said:
Question for all of you who had fly problems...

Were you using vermic/perlite or were you using moss?

I have mostly moss, which I keep outside so that is probably my trouble ticket and I'll have to find a place inside to keep it next year or keep it very well sealed.

However, I do have one clutch on vermiculite and the flies are in there just as much as the other clutches. Not doing any harm yet, just crawling around. I'm going try making that trap today.
 
carol said:
I have mostly moss, which I keep outside so that is probably my trouble ticket and I'll have to find a place inside to keep it next year or keep it very well sealed.

However, I do have one clutch on vermiculite and the flies are in there just as much as the other clutches. Not doing any harm yet, just crawling around. I'm going try making that trap today.

Good thread, by the way. I'm keeping my spaghnum moss and peat moss outside too. I'm not sure which medium my flies hatched from. I really like using the peat moss and spaghnum moss for nest boxes. Most of my girls loved the peat moss, but one picky girl ended up getting the spaghnum moss. I'm wondering if my flies hatched from the spaghnum moss, and that's why I've only seen a few. :shrugs:

The trap sounds like a good idea to try. Since I've only seen about 4 or 6 of those pesky flies, I just squished them. :grin01: Keep us updated and let us know how the trap works for you.

MohrSnakes said:
Besides, that warning label on the vermiculite about cancer and stuff makes me a little wigged out....

Yeah, I was worried about that too. I did find a place that sells vermiculite that's labeled "certified asbestos free"... with no health/cancer warning on the packaging. Of course I have to "believe" that the manufacturer is being truthful, but it did make me feel okay about using vermiculite.
 
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As far as the asbestos in vermic, I believe it was a case of two isolated mines only. There have been numerous tests over the years and apparently none of them have shown any asbestos in the vermic. If you're worried about the asbestos, I wouldn't worry too much.
 
ive never had a snake but i have experienced having fruit flys in my african giant landsnail tank,the only real solution ive found is to just give the tank a good clean regulary.or suck em up with the hoover hehe :twoguns:
 
This is a very good thread, I've never heard of this happening before. I'm happy to be part of a group of people who share so much information - all the pitfalls as well as the pretty photos.

Do you think it might help to freeze the moss for a few days before use? Or blanch / boil it for a few minutes? (I can see it now - husband walks in - ummmm... what's cooking for dinner?)
 
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