-
Hello!
Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.
Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....
Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.
Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.
Argument FAQ: Assembling the building blocks
- Thread starter Lucille
- Start date
Lucille
New member
"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful one-hundred percent."
-- Horton the elephant [Horton Hatches the Egg, by Dr. Suess, 1942]
vetusvates said:
The first step in finding an answer is realizing that that one might need an answer.
I was hoping that you and some of the other thoughtful people here would sort through the pile of building blocks being assembled here and ...begin to create. Seriously, I am merely a facilitator, many of y'all have been here and know a lot of stuff, y'all are the builders.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Lucille, I know we got off-topic, but I think there are those out there with many more excellent building blocks holding out on us.
BTW, thanks for pinpointing that quote. You're a very wise,...and wise-cracking lady.
I'm trying to figure out how to simplify and distill the principles of deductive and inductive reasoning into lay terms, for those who have not studied logic.
Primarily, deductive reasoning and syllogisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
(Yes...yes...I know, y'all hate wikipedia references, but it was handy.)
When logic is cast to the four winds in a thread, is usually when I evacuate.
BTW, thanks for pinpointing that quote. You're a very wise,...and wise-cracking lady.
I'm trying to figure out how to simplify and distill the principles of deductive and inductive reasoning into lay terms, for those who have not studied logic.
Primarily, deductive reasoning and syllogisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
(Yes...yes...I know, y'all hate wikipedia references, but it was handy.)
When logic is cast to the four winds in a thread, is usually when I evacuate.
Lucille
New member
Does someone come beat us if we get off topic? I'm not yet clued in so help me out here.
vetusvates said:
My Dad, a doctor and a scientist, has a similar talent. When I was just a little kid, he would talk science to me and the way he did it, I was able to understand very complex stuff. I think some of my favorite moments as a kid were sitting at the breakfast table, reading the New York Times, and having my Dad expound scientific theories and actually ask me what I thought.
If this project goes forward at all, I think the primary requirement is that it is user friendly. No matter how great a tool one creates, if most people won't use it, it is a waste of time.
It is easy to scream and carry on in an argument. It is easy to be a drama llama. It has to be at least that easy for people to debate topics with vigor yet with courtesy, or there will be little incentive for the llamas to change their ways.
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
No, but you get assaulted with Pandas.
I love this thread btw, those are great quotes!
Lucille
New member
More about this.
Courtesy does not necessarily mean the prissy librarian kind of debate where some hen has a copy of the Robert's Rules of Order and everyone gets anal about doing things in just the proper way.
Courtesy is all about making the other guy feel comfortable. You can get down and have a mud pit fight, then clean up and go out for a beer and be friends.
Lawyers do this all the time, they get down in the courtroom and flat out do their best for their client, but win or lose they get together for a cold one after. It's OK to disagree.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Well...I think it is frowned upon by the forum 'establishment' if you hijack someone's thread and go off on a tangent. 'Someone' being the original poster, and assuming they had a certain train of thought they wanted the thread to remain 'on topic' in exploring.
For newcomers/innocents, don't hijack their threads.
For older members, they may agree to drift with the thread.
The mods, I have observed, are very kindly lenient about the routes threads take. And all of the mods are intelligent people, who often participate in some very interesting subjects,....on or even slightly off topic.
As for myself, I have to be careful with other folks threads...my mind often wanders when not under conscious control. As far as my own threads are concerned, I'm pretty lenient. I regularly hijack my own threads. I want people to feel relaxed and at ease in my threads. I don't mind others hijacking my threads as long as the subject matter remains interesting and seems to be working toward a positive direction in general.
Hmmm...some of the above is pretty good stuff. Might even fall under the heading of 'parliamentary procedure' for thread debates.
EDIT : Regarding the pandas,.....sometimes threads spiral so far off topic into absurdity OR become so emotionally charged,....that the pandas are brought in. Under MOST circumstances, by the time the pandas are summoned, that signifies that the thread is on its deathbed, so to speak,.....or even a dead horse. Now, 'the dead horse'......that is an additional element in a thread that signifies the thread is significantly past its prime. Usually,....hopefully,....by then the mob has begun to disperse, things get quiet,....and a new thread has been foaled nearby. The angry villagers with their torches move on.
wade
Save The Humans
First off this is a poor argument right off the bad. Librarians are not prissy. Have you seen a picture of Izzie lately? There isn’t a prissy bone in that girl. Debating weather doing things analy the right way is out of place on this forum.
There are those here who like to make the other guy comfortable. There are those who enjoy the mud pit. I believe that I can be courteous without going to either extreme.
Lawyers rarely do it. The girls that would enjoy the company of a lawyer are few and far between. I would agree that they get down and dirty but in truth they have no friends and if they chose to drink beer, they do it alone.
Lucillle I think I love you. Are you young and beautiful? Do you like short fat old bald guys?
ForkedTung
Serpent Mound Monk
Lucille, don't answer that it's a trick question....lol
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
That is a fantastic explaination! :roflmao:
Lucille
New member
Interesting perspective.......
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
I'm pretty lenient too. I think threads (especially off topic ones in particular) have a natural ebb and flow of conversation that often naturally tend to flow from one topic into another similar topic...and so on.
Though I wouldn't go into a 'why isn't my snake eating' thread and say something like 'why is my brother annoying'
Lucille
New member
Wades cute lucille and has an adorable doggie
Let's herd the conversation back to building blocks.....
wade
Save The Humans
Wades cute lucille and has an adorable doggie
Now I know I love you Danielle. We need to do this in private.
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
"When an arguer argues dispassionately he thinks only of the argument."
Virgina Woolf
Virgina Woolf
danielle
New member
Where have you been Wade? Out on good behavior huh.......I so know better.
Now to be on topic lucille people suck at debating because they don't debate they argue which is why panties get all knotted up and people hit below the belt. I have iron skin and so do many here so we can debate disagree and still trade friendly PM's with no hard feeling which is how it should be. Others with already stiffled self-esteems argue because they need to be right and feel good about something and then get hurt when others don't allow them to feel good about being wrong. Its life rules never apply Love the quotes though
Now to be on topic lucille people suck at debating because they don't debate they argue which is why panties get all knotted up and people hit below the belt. I have iron skin and so do many here so we can debate disagree and still trade friendly PM's with no hard feeling which is how it should be. Others with already stiffled self-esteems argue because they need to be right and feel good about something and then get hurt when others don't allow them to feel good about being wrong. Its life rules never apply
Love the quotes though
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
"It is not he who gains the exact point in dispute who scores most in controversy -- but he who has shown the better temper." Samuel Butler
wade
Save The Humans
Where have you been Wade? Out on good behavior huh.......I so know better.
Now to be on topic lucille people suck at debating because they don't debate they argue which is why panties get all knotted up and people hit below the belt. I have iron skin and so do many here so we can debate disagree and still trade friendly PM's with no hard feeling which is how it should be. Others with already stiffled self-esteems argue because they need to be right and feel good about something and then get hurt when others don't allow them to feel good about being wrong. Its life rules never apply
SWMBO has no problems with hitting below the belt and knotted panties are one of her favs for me to wear. My self-esteem is as stiff as the next guy or more so for that matter. I feel ok with others being wrong. I have no problem with that. When it all comes out in the end, intelligent people agree with me. It is just a mater of time.
I really love you Danielle. And Lucille.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
JMO, Of Course!
I think that if you are going to present any side of an opinion or engage in an argument, that you should use, correct punctuation and spelling. It gives a little bit of credence to your argument and shows that you put a little thought and effort, into it.
Stay Thirsty My Friends,
Wayne
I think that if you are going to present any side of an opinion or engage in an argument, that you should use, correct punctuation and spelling. It gives a little bit of credence to your argument and shows that you put a little thought and effort, into it.
Stay Thirsty My Friends,
Wayne