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ASF colors?

carnivorouszoo

carnivorouszoo

Crazy Critter Lady
I was wondering if anyone knew what colors have been found for these? Mine have now had normal brown and white as well as some red eyed and some blacks.
 
I would like to see some pictures of your blacks. I have not seen those as a variety of this species yet.

I have agouti (black ticked), cinnamon (chocolate ticked), argente (pink eyed dilute agouti), and champagne (pink eyed dilute cinnamon) in solid (no white markings), Berkshire (white belly/blaze/headspot), and pied (white over the head, neck, and back).
 
Oh ok....didn't know the technical terms. Pretty cool to see the different types popping up!
 
There are currently three know colors Agouti, Cinnamon "Fawn", Argente "red eye". And three coat patterns Self "No spots" Badger " Self body, facial spotting like a Badger" and Pied " Broken spotted like a Pinto horse"

I have to re-write my page on them as I now don't believe the Cinnamon is recessive "a" as ALL known colors have been Agouti Wild "A" If a recessive would appear other then red eye "p", coat color would be black or grayish in color. I believe Cinnamon "Agouti- no black ticking" would be "Avy" The red eyed version is also an Agouti base mutation.

There are fuzzy hairless Mammates "SFR" and I believe someone spoke of longhair somewhere but have yet to see more on that.

Multimammates
 
MedusaCorns said:
There are currently three know colors Agouti, Cinnamon "Fawn", Argente "red eye". And three coat patterns Self "No spots" Badger " Self body, facial spotting like a Badger" and Pied " Broken spotted like a Pinto horse"

I have to re-write my page on them as I now don't believe the Cinnamon is recessive "a" as ALL known colors have been Agouti Wild "A" If a recessive would appear other then red eye "p", coat color would be black or grayish in color. I believe Cinnamon "Agouti- no black ticking" would be "Avy" The red eyed version is also an Agouti base mutation.

There are fuzzy hairless Mammates "SFR" and I believe someone spoke of longhair somewhere but have yet to see more on that.

Multimammates
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I would personally stay away from using "fawn" as a colour description for the cinnamon variety, as fawn in rodents generally refers to a red eyed variety. My view is that cinnamon would be most likely to be the b-locus (brown), comparable to the same mutations in other species (eg rats, mice) - but I guess we will only find out once there is a non-agouti (aa) to test mate with. It doesn't seem to me to share many similarities with Avy in mice?

Love the fuzzy-hairless. A friend of mine had some born recently, though I'm not sure how they're progressing.
 
Yeah not sure what to call it as there are not a whole lot on the SFR as far as breeders focusing on it like mice and rats. Some yellow mutation has something to do with it as the Agouti ticking has been washed out to make them that fawnish color. It's not a recessive "a" and pink eye has nothing to do with it as I have a line that only produces Agouti and whatever the no ticking coloring is. That one line has inbred for many generations and no red eyes born. I don't think Cinnamon "A b" as there would be non ticked chocolates and other pretty recessives somewhere and I've never seen a chocolate SFR or a true blue "d" either so it's not a blue agouti and when bred to red eye no Silver Argente
A dd pp have been born. Not chinchilla "ch" either thought they Kinda/sorta resemble them, but again no white belly the Chin "A/at" is known for. Maybe something like a Sable? Yellow, Tan, Umbrous-Patterned... ?Who knows?. I have also seen two different color red eyed SRF's here too. One's that look light like the one posted here "Amberish/Argente red/cream color" and then red eyes on those Cinnamon whatever colors one's too. They are more of a wine eye compared to the Argente Amber one's and sometimes so dark red you might not notice. No one, "I believe no registered club standard" has them classified as anything to call them by in stone?? Never looked in to UK clubs for such things.

Sad not many SFR enthusiasts out there. With all the breeding for snakey foods something of course is bound to pop up in those rodents too ;)

Hmmmm... thanks now guys I'll have to go sit in front of the critters now and ponder LOL!

BTW thanks, Those little hairless have nothing to do with a true blood hairless SFR. Those guys are a freak mutation that never repeated itself. Though offspring have come out with colbier bodies and big ears like the spiny mouse but get large like the mammates. Their hair has never got spiny but has stayed soft like the SF's. I only had three generations of them going till I gave up and fed the snakeys LOL.
 
MedusaCorns said:
I dunno. Don't believe it's a chocolate if no "a" is there. Maybe it's just a poor "light" agouti and many keep it cause it's pretty? lol.. Nothing I see in any mouse guide identifies it without coming up with another color somewhere along the line.
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In mouse guides, other colours come with "bb" because there's so many other mutations in mice to combine it with and produce other colours! The mutation "bb" is chocolate, but bb ASFs are chocolate agouti aka cinnamon because there is no "aa"/non-agouti/unticked to combine it with.
 
I may have a line of aa or Black soon. Here are pics of this awesome litter! Once I get it really going would be glad to share breeding sets.

ASFBMlit2A.jpg


ASFBMlit2B.jpg


ASFBMlit2C.jpg


And in case I used the wrong link for the pics here is another version of the link to them:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn60/cleantokeepmykids/Snake pictures/ASFBMlit2A.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn60/cleantokeepmykids/Snake pictures/ASFBMlit2B.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn60/cleantokeepmykids/Snake pictures/ASFBMlit2C.jpg

I will be tracking this litter as I currently have enough feeders frozen for my snake :)
 
Be interesting to see if they do turn out black (aa) but they look agouti (AA B- P-) to me, with the paler dark eyed ones being cinnamon (AA bb), and then some argentes (AA B- pp) and is that a champagne (AA bb pp) on the right in the first photo?
 
Well I will follow them and just see. My other female will be having babies soon so I will have pleanty to feed my snake while I check it out. I imagine colors will be easier to identify when they are a bit older. Once weaned this entire litter will be moved to their own cage for supervission on color developement. i can't see the three black ending up dark agouti. i found little info beyond the one site mentioned on genetics so my work notes will be going by a gerbil type format that I am more familiar with. I also have working names for the colors lol. I'm such a pain!
 
well if they are blacks THAT happen to carry red eye, let me know when you get my favorite color "Lilac" and I surly will take some off your hands:cool:
 
Sure thing! So far there is absolutely no sign of brown in these guys. Just pitch black. However if they end up like rabbits where black, steele and agouti (aka chestnut) start out extremely dark that will make it harder to be sure. However the older "agouti" from the first litter never changed from being brown with visible gold under tones. This follows the gerbil coloring pattern.

I want to add really quick that I am sorry to take up space with a not really relevent topic. Its just so neat. Is there an ASF forum somewhere?
 
Well, as much as I hate admitting I am wrong. I was. The "Black" ones started getting the brown in. So I decided to cull out to just 2 males for my 2 new colonies (I have 4 females growing out from the previous litter). I kept one Dark Agouti and one of the red eyed peach ones. Will let you know if I see any interesting colors in the future :)
 
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