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Babies eating prior to shipping?

I'm finding it hard to defend this guy, but I've always insisted on hearing the other side to the story before reacting. It's possible that he asked someone else to ship it (which is not acceptable, imho) because he had to go out of town.

Glad to hear the snake is doing well though! :D
 
Spirit said:
Let the hormones rage. (Quigs ;) )

That's just not right... Was there a regurg? He's okay? Poor thing is probably stressed out of his mind. :(
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Spirit,

As for the regurg? :puke01: None! But who knows, with this breeder! Was it really fed prior to shipping? It's been one story after another!
 
AMAZING! Maybe he meant a few days before shipping? I'm sure there's a good explaination lost somewhere in this madness. I hope.

You said that he seemed reputable, so for now... I'm keeping the faith that there's something we're missing here. :)
 
Spirit said:
I'm finding it hard to defend this guy, but I've always insisted on hearing the other side to the story before reacting. It's possible that he asked someone else to ship it (which is not acceptable, imho) because he had to go out of town.

Glad to hear the snake is doing well though! :D
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Thanks! As for the shipping, he did it himself from his business trip. The breeder lives in Miami but he was shipped out of Richmond, VA !!! He told me he brought the snake with him to VA.... :shrugs:
 
Spirit said:
AMAZING! Maybe he meant a few days before shipping? I'm sure there's a good explaination lost somewhere in this madness. I hope.

:)
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He emailed me the morning he was shipped and said he ate about hour before he was packaged up. I don't know! I am very mad and confused!
 
I don't know, Howie. I'm just glad the snake got there safely. No need to drag it out, eh? (Though a friendly little email, first thanking him for the snake, then explaining why you're unhappy with the situation, might do some good for his next sale) :)

Did he at least give you a 15-30 day health guarantee?
 
howiet4702 said:
Isn't it illegal to ship snakes thru USPS?? Maybe I'm wrong?
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Yes it is. Please don't let this experience ruin your faith in all breeders! :)
 
Wow...$50 for a normal shipped...and it cost a whole $4 to ship?

I wouldn't be very happy in the least! Sorry to say, I think you were taken!


Like CAV said...don't let this experience ruin your faith in other breeders, please. There are a ton of awesome people out there, but just like any industry/trade/business, you will always have bad apples.

Next time research your potential seller (check the BOI) or try and buy from people you know are reputable! Just ask, I'm sure we all can help you out with that!

Hope everything works out in the long run for ya!

Quigs
 
Quigs said:
Wow...$50 for a normal shipped...and it cost a whole $4 to ship?

I wouldn't be very happy in the least! Sorry to say, I think you were taken!

Next time research your potential seller (check the BOI) or try and buy from people you know are reputable! Just ask, I'm sure we all can help you out with that!



Quigs
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Yeah I know...I checked his BOI and there were no complaints...I guess it's too late now though. However, I will enjoy him and these forums! :D
 
I don't mean to rub salt into the wound! Maybe this will prevent others from being taken to the cleaners. :)
 
Howie,

Are you disclosing the sellers name yet? I think it is about time, for this "breeder" to be exposed!

Also have you added comments on the BOI about him? I certainly would if it were me!

Let's help other be informed about this person and your experience with him!

Quigs
 
I have been kind of lurking around this thread, but have refrained from saying anything. I too would like to know who this is as I am going to be looking for at least 1 more female in the next year or so.

Sorry to hear about everything that happened with this experience. And, good to hear that the little snake arrived to you ok.
 
Quigs said:
Howie,

Are you disclosing the sellers name yet? I think it is about time, for this "breeder" to be exposed!

Also have you added comments on the BOI about him? I certainly would if it were me!

Let's help other be informed about this person and your experience with him!

Quigs
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I emailed the breeder and I am still waiting for a response. I would like him to explain his side of the story. When I get that response, I will tell you his side of the story. I hate to do this but I don't want anyone else to get burned the same way I did.

www.raysreptilia.com
 
The breeder just reponded...

"I could not use my usual carrier since I was out of town I did all I could to get the animal to you as soon as possible .Since i was not able to know exactly when it wold arrive I did not have you sign for it I am responsible for the animal if it doesnt arrive intact .."


I don't know what to think....I am new to this...
 
Getting the snake to you "as soon as possible" was his first mistake.

My only advice would be to be honest with the seller. Thank him for doing what he could (while making it clear you're unhappy with the service - and for what reasons), but let him know that it would have been in the snakes best interest for him to have waited until he was back from his trip to send it (for starters). A simple email from him explaining the situation could have prevented this whole thing. Sure, you would have waited an extra few days, but it would have prevent a lot of unneccessary stress on both you and the snake. If the snake refuses to eat (stressed) it's more than likely as a result from all this stress...

It could have been handled differently to prevent this from happening, is my point. You're both adults here... the manner in which it is handled now (after the fact) is up to you.

Bottom line? The snake arrived safely. For that, we're all thankful. :)

Not sure if I helped here at all, but good luck to you both (you and the snake, I mean. The seller bit himself on the ass, on this one).
 
I'm sorry Howie, I don't want it to seem like I'm "rubbing salt in the wound" either. To me this is a huge concern to the integrity of our hobby/business.

This is what gets me.

howiet4702 said:
"I could not use my usual carrier since I was out of town"
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He states that his USUAL carrier is UPS or FEDEX. Ok, fine. I got news for ya...FEDEX and UPS ship nationwide. And I'm postitive that you could find someplace wherever you were to use your "normal carrier". It would be as simple as opening up any yellow pages or white pages for that matter. If they are so "normal" to him...I'm sure he could find a toll free phone number somewhere in his records and call to locate the nearest facility!

Secondly, if he has a "normal" carrier...than he probably has an account or accounts with both....wouldn't you think?

howiet4702 said:
"I did all I could to get the animal to you as soon as possible .Since i was not able to know exactly when it wold arrive I did not have you sign for it"
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Again, that is a load of BS! Should he have sought out the right avenue, he would have no problem sending it certified what-so-ever with ANY carrier!

howiet4702 said:
"I am responsible for the animal if it doesnt arrive intact .."
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You're damn skippy, but hind sight is 20/20, isn't it? Easy for him to say now that the animal has arrived and alive!

I know from previous expierence shipping, that USPS Priority mail is a 3 day shipping. It's possible it'll get to it's destination before then, but they say no longer than 3 days! That is unexcusable in my book!

Why on earth would you take a snake with you on a business trip just to send? To get to you in a timely fashion? That's not acceptable to me either! I, myself have had to wait for a few days and even up to several weeks for an expected animal. If the seller is to be out of town or something, no big deal. I have yet to find a reputable proprietor of any business take goods with them on a trip and ship while away. That's just crazy! Oh and not to mention...he also took pinkies on his trip as well so he could feed this little guy the day he shipped it? Sounds far fetched to me!

howiet4702 said:
"I don't know what to think....I am new to this...
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Well, I'm certainly sorry that this has happened to you. It shouldn't have happened...PERIOD! I did goto the aforementioned website and had a look around. I have never heard of this guy good or bad so I have no first hand knowledge. I do firmly believe you were scammed though, I'm sorry.

His prices on his site states it includes shipping...not one place did I find what he claims as his "normal carrier". It did not say "overnight" anywhere either! This leads me to believe this was not an accident and probably not the first time. MOST of the time, not all by any means...the websites of reputable breeders have what form of delivery they use and offer options.

In essence this guy purposely left loop holes in his verbage to suit the situation. Not to mention the snake was not properly packaged. I can't remember if you said, if the box you recieved was lines with either 1/2" or 3/4" styrofaom, it should have been! Most people use deli cups (or snake bags on larger indivuals) rather than gladware container, they are much cheaper!



I decided to do a little more reseach before I posted this...

If you are a member at Fauna you should be able to follow these links, if you are not a member, I highly reccomend you do sign up! It's free and worth a ton to the community. (Thanks Rich)

These posts, seem to speak for themselves...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...perpage=5&highlight=Raysreptilia&pagenumber=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=170628#post170628

Anyone seeing any irony or even pattern here?

I would have liked to have read all of his 24 posts on Fauna but I guess Rich has that featured turned off. He's been a member over there since July of last year. I found nothing on the BOI about him.

To learn is to live. Next time you are in the market, contact me personally if you want. I will steer you in the direction of some great people, many are on this very forum! I will personally guarentee an expirence that will rival this one like night and day! Don't let this bad apple get you down, there are still plenty of the "good guys" around!

Thanks for reading my "book like" rant, this really disturbs me!

Quigs
 
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