Bloodred or het. Bloodred???

[carol]

Anyways, I'll admit I am playing catch up on the info. but nobody more than I appreciates good info.

tom

BTW, it's nice to see you visit these forums for a change, you'll find much more info here.

Think of Bloodreds as Candy Cane Motleys... There is a simple recessive gene for pattern, and who knows how many genes involved for a selective bred color.

The pattern in Bloodreds seems to inherited as a simple recessive with the exception that some hets seem to show some qualities. The color in Bloodreds is selectively bred with likely many genes involved.

The pattern is sometimes called "Diffused" and sometimes just plain "Blood" instead of Bloodred. I, for example, did not jump on the "Diffused" bandwagon right away. I felt too many people already had it fixed in their mind what a "Bloodred" is. However, I'm now realizing we are having more newbies in this hobby than ever before, so maybe the transition now would be a good idea. Did I just say that outloud? Holy Crap!

 

[Serpwidgets]

I have a poor blood red, but I think she is a great looking corn. Try to forget the goal of the perfect blood red and just look at this as a corn.

That isn't a bloodred. Or it's something I would never call a bloodred. I think that usage defeats the whole purpose.

It's not about forgetting the goal of bloodreds, it's about understanding that a snake that is homozygous for diffusion is not automatically a bloodred, nor is it "supposed to be" a bloodred, just like a snake that is homozygous for amel is not automatically a candycane, nor are all amels "supposed to be" candycanes. :cheers:

 

[magila]

I think it's a good idea to make a difference between the diffused and bloodreds, the same way as the difference between amels and candy canes or amels and sunglows.
so a bloodred must have the diffused gen (like a candy cane must have the amel gene) but a diffused is NOT necessarily bloodred (like a amel is not necessarily a candy cane).

but I think its hard to tell which one of the baby's would grow up to become a real bloodred and which are "only" diffused.
thats why i find linebred morphs so annoying...when is it.....and when is it not... :shrugs: You could look at the parents but does, having "good" bloodred parents automatically means you'll get "good"bloodred baby's? and what if you're working with Het's. or other morphs... (see the difference between my diffused/bloods and they all came from the same parents.)
and how will it work with other morphs containing bloodred/diffused....
fire made with diffused vs. fire made with bloodred for example...

another thought; the bloodred being a (almost) patternless deep red snake.
is it the linebreeding that makes the the snake become (almost) patternless or is it another gen working here or a comboor something...
how will bloodred react in the anerythristic morphs (lacking the deep red) vs. diffused...for example will you see the difference between a pewter made with diffused and a pewter made with bloodred. :shrugs:

a lot of questions concerning the mysterious Bloodred

 

[Serpwidgets]

I felt too many people already had it fixed in their mind what a "Bloodred" is. However, I'm now realizing we are having more newbies in this hobby than ever before, so maybe the transition now would be a good idea. Did I just say that outloud? Holy Crap!

LOL! Ya, I think people are more easily able to understand the whole thing when two different words are used to describe the on/off component and the "sliding scale" component.

I think it's a good idea to make a difference between the diffused and bloodreds, the same way as the difference between amels and candy canes or amels and sunglows.
so a bloodred must have the diffused gen (like a candy cane must have the amel gene) but a diffused is NOT necessarily bloodred (like a amel is not necessarily a candy cane).

Precisely.

but I think its hard to tell which one of the baby's would grow up to become a real bloodred and which are "only" diffused.
thats why i find linebred morphs so annoying...when is it.....and when is it not... :shrugs: You could look at the parents but does, having "good" bloodred parents automatically means you'll get "good"bloodred baby's?

You are correct, this is a challenge with all selectively bred morphs. Okeetees, Miamis, sunglows, candycanes, pink and green snows, and so on. In line-bred morphs it is generally a good idea to "wait and see" if there is any doubt.