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Blue Motley Question

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v00kimba00v

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I've been noticing that Nixie, my blue motley, seems to get more colorful with every shed. Her head is blue, the rest of the front half of her is pretty pink, and her back half fades from purple to blue at the tip.

I'm just wondering if this is normal. Pictures of blue motleys that i've seen don't look like that. Though to be fair i've mostly seen pictures of hatchlings.

here's some pics to show what i'm talking about, unfortunately the color doesn't show up as well as it does in person and she's always been uncooperative when it comes to photographing.

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I just thought this one was funny so i included it

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thoughts?
 
Hmm. I can't tell you about BM in specifics, but I will tell you that most corns brighten per shed. I have noticed my corns often have rather contrasting coloration going down the body.
 
I'm not sure where you're seeing that. When I looked at their site I only found the pics of their breeders and the ones they have for sale. None of them show pink or purple coloring, just blue-grey. Could you post a link?
 
Blue = Dilute Anery. meaning she's a dilute anery motley.

I actually found the pic after posting, way down at the bottom of their for sale thread. The thing that still confuses me is that of all of them on their website it is only one 2009 that shows the same odd coloring as my Nixie, ian's vivarium and corn calc don't have any pics that look like that. Is this just individual differences or something else? Or do they all do it and it just isn't well documented in photographs?

It's not that I don't love the way she looks, it's just not what I was expecting based on the pictures I've seen. I actually like it better. Is this how they all turn out?
 
Just like anerys and ghosts, especially when motley is added, can range wuite a bit in their coloration and will also go through some wonderful changes as they age. Males especially can become quite peachy in color, hence being called pastel, and some females can have some great color. I've noticed that this reaches it's most intense around the 2 year mark (or when the snake is in the 100-250 gram weight range). Once hitting maturity and getting to the 4 or 5 year old mark and beyond, more melanin comes in and replaces some of the peach color, some cases more than others. The same happens if dilute is added as well. Your dilute anery motley is quite colorful, especially for a female. There is a slight possibility she may in fact be a male, so please keep that in mind. If Nixie is indeed a female, she might be a dilute ghost motley. My male dilute ghost motley looked very much like the "typical" dilute anery motley hatchling, but became more peachy as he got older and I conformed his homo hypo status in the 2011 breeding season. Take away the dilute gene and yours could easily be a ghost motley female, IMO. Definitely worth a breeding trial.

The first photo is of 2 sister dilute anery motleys as yearlings. The second photo is the darker female now at 6 years old. My dilute ghost motley is next, then another dilute anery motley female I hatched out in '08. She's always been on the dark side but her anery stripe sister (last photo) has always had a lovely maroon undertone that is just now fading a bit except on her head.
 

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Thank you so much for all the information. It was really helpful. I might talk to the breeder and see if there's a possibility of her having the hypo gene. And see about having her re-sexed just to make sure. They seemed pretty sure though and she was definitely one that they were very excited about producing, she was definitely getting more attention.
 
As an update: talked to the breeder and she's from a mixed clutch that included dilute ghost motleys and stripes, and blue motleys and stripes. they still had one of the dilute ghost motleys and a holdback blue stripe, and Nixie definitely looks more blue than ghost after comparing. She could be het hypo, I know some hets can show through to some extent but I'm not sure if hypo is one of them. Both of the clutchmates are much more colorful than pictures I've seen also, so it could just be that this clutch was particularly colorful. Or that the colors don't show up well in photographs.
 
I vaguely remember something about someone thinking that there might be 2 variations of dilute, where one brought about the pinks and the other did not. But I can't say any more than that.

Here are pictures of an adult male dilute ghost motley stripe and a yearling female dilute anery motley.
 

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Strawberry could also be a possible culprit in the more colorful dilutes, and I also wouldn't rule out red factor/red coat either.
 
SnakeAround said:
This is my '06 blue motley male, photo taken september '11. Melanine is definitely coming in.

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Here you can see his colors through growing up:

http://www.snakearound.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=122

I bred F2 from him and there were no hypo's, but there were only about 9 eggs. I do think he is quite light for a blue motley, but the ghost dilute motley above is even peachier/lighter.
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AS pretty as he was when he was younger and lighter, I really like how he looks right now with the increased melanin!
 
Most of the dilute motley anerys seem to start out with a fair amount of pink on them, but the pink changes to blue when they mature. Carrying het for amel, ultra, or, coming from a line bred trait, appears to cause them to retain more pink hues at maturity.
 
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