Breeding aztecs

[Glenbrooks]

Has anyone had any degree of success reproducing Aztec patterns?
I read on the SerpenCo Web site that Aztec patterns are not simple recessive genes. I was hoping to try to reproduce a corn pattern with a broad red stripe running down its back. I assume it is the result of an extreme aztec pattern. I am not new to snake breeding, but I am new to cornsnake morph issues. Any info you offer would be greatly appreciated.

Glen :shrugs:

 

[Walter Smith]

Broad Striped Amelanistic Aztec

Hey Glen,

Here is one of what I believe you are looking for. These are fairly new in the cornsnake pattern.
This guy is from the Aztec line. I just got my hands on this one this year and I was told that this pattern reproduces in a co-dominate manner, meaning breeding this pattern to any other corn will result in some offspring displaying this pattern in the F1 generation, but as most Aztecs it may not show 100%.

I have not bred these yet, so I can't say for sure, but time will tell.

Walter :wavey:

 

[ecreipeoj]

Walter, That is a cool Amel Aztec. The pattern on its side is very nice as well. It looks like a "Race Track" Corn or "Indy" Corn. LOL

 

[Walter Smith]

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the comment.
HMMMM, Indy Corn, you may have something there. Since I've gotten him I've been trying to think of a good name for this pattern.

I'm sure there will be other names thrown around once these start getting more circulated in the hobby.

I'm just really excited about getting this pattern into some of the higher end color traits. I bet this pattern in the Butter, Hypo Lavender or even Golddust will be outstanding !!!

As I said, time will tell.

Later, Walter :wavey:

 

[Quigs]

I agree that is a beauty, Walter!

Is it just me? I see diamond like shapes of the sides rather than spots.

Either way, keep us posted on what comes of these!

 

[Walter Smith]

Quigs

Thanks.

You know, now that you mentioned it, they do look more like diamonds. Good eye !!!

I will for sure keep everyone updated on this trait.

Thanks, Walter :wavey:

 

[ecreipeoj]

HMMMM, Indy Corn, you may have something there. Since I've gotten him I've been trying to think of a good name for this pattern.

I'm sure there will be other names thrown around once these start getting more circulated in the hobby.

We have to come up with something other than Striped Aztecs which I have seen them called. We already have enough confusion with Striped Motleys. People will certainly think that a Striped Aztec is homo for Striped with the Aztec pattern just like Striped Motleys.

 

[Walter Smith]

We have to come up with something other than Striped Aztecs which I have seen them called. We already have enough confusion with Striped Motleys. People will certainly think that a Striped Aztec is homo for Striped with the Aztec pattern just like Striped Motleys.

I agree 100% !!

We need to find a fitting name that people will indentify to this SPACIFIC pattern trait.
I'd say something that dosen't even include "Aztec" or "Stripe".

"Indy", in my opinion is a good canidate.

Walter :wavey:

 

[Glenbrooks]

Nice snake

Great looking picture, and yes that is the pattern I am talking about. I hope to pick up the snake tomorrow, and if I do, I will attach a picture.

Joe, I am going to try to reproduce the pattern with the lava and ice ghost traits that I am buying from you! As well as looking to produce striped versions. You will have to keep me informed of how your stiped project is coming. I think a striped lava, or ice ghost would look awesome!

Thanks for your input. It should be interesting to see what f2's will look like with lava and "indy" traits, they also will be het for amel and pos. het for anery. Might get some unique looking corns.

Glen

 

[cka]

I've heard the term "wide stripe" Aztecs used once or twice around some different sites, and Walter's snake would fit that description to a "T"...staying with the Indy theme I'm gonna suggest "Hot Rod" corn lol...here's mine, slightly similar to Walters...

PS Glen I hope the rat snakes have stopped biting you ;*)

 

[Walter Smith]

Hey Chris,

VERY NICE AZTEC !!!

The pattern of yours kinda looks like a birds eye view of a busy highway or interstate, LOL.

NICE SNAKE !!!

Walter :wavey:

 

[Hurley]

Stripe down the back? Heck that's easy, call'em Pole Cat Corns. :sidestep:

 

[Hurley]

Ok, ok kidding.

How about Ribbon corns or Streaked Corns?

I'd say "Stripped" corns, but that's how half the people seem to spell "Striped" corns, so that would be a bit of a no-go.

 

[ecreipeoj]

Joe, I am going to try to reproduce the pattern with the lava and ice ghost traits that I am buying from you! As well as looking to produce striped versions. You will have to keep me informed of how your stiped project is coming. I think a striped lava, or ice ghost would look awesome!

Thanks for your input. It should be interesting to see what f2's will look like with lava and "indy" traits, they also will be het for amel and pos. het for anery. Might get some unique looking corns.

I have thought about breeding the Lava gene into Aztecs, but haven’t done it yet. I have a couple of Hets for Lava Lav that have some partial Aztec pattern they got from the Lavender involved in the breeding.

A Corn with Walter’s Corn’s pattern in the Lava Morphs would certainly quality as a “Lava Flow” Corn. I have thought that name would be fitting for a Striped Lava, but would be even better, if the flowing part was a little irregular. I have some very radical Aztec female Lavs coming up that would be a good cross with the Lavas, but I don‘t have anything like Walter’s Corn.

 

[Hurley]

Speaking of lava aztecs...



It just so happens that we had a small clutch laid last night from my favorite anery aztec female crossed to the lava het anery male. I'm dying to reproduce her pattern, she's not one of the wide-striped aztecs that you see (which personally isn't my type of aztec), but more of a shattered glass...actually the pattern I truely think of when I hear the word "Aztec". Can't wait to play with this line in the generations to come.

 

[gardenmum]

Well, all I've gotta say is NICE AZTECS, all of you!!!! Each different, unigue and beautiful.

Walter, I hope you get more of those race stripes. Would be neat to make one of those with no side markings. Cool.

As for names? If the pattern can be reproduced, then I also think the pattern should have its own name. To call it a stripe or an aztec would not work. I like Indy and Ribbon, personally. Although I think ribbon brings a better image to mind. But I like 'em both.

 

[Glenbrooks]

My New Aztec

I did pick up this female amel aztec from the East Bay Vivarium today. I hope to use her to produce lava aztecs.

Chris the ratsnakes have settled down a lot and the bubblegum has grown like crazy. She still jumpy, but no longer bitey.

here is my new little girl

here you can see her side pattern a little better

As far as reproducing the back stipe pattern, I don't think it can be consistently done. Since Aztec is a co-dominant gene instead of a simple recessive gene. Everyone I have talked to, who have bred these, says you just get a variety of Aztecs in every clutch.

Either way, it should be a fun project.
Glen

 

[Walter Smith]

Hey Dianne

How are you doing? Good I hope.

Yeah, I hope all goes well with my little guy. I plan on breeding his pattern trait into some high end colors. I think a Hypo Lavender, Butter and Golddust, just to name a few, would be some really attractive snakes with this pattern.
Even an Okeetee. Could you imagine this pattern trait in the Deep Rich Red/Orange Okeetee coloration and if there were two black stripes outlining the "Ribbon", that would be the icing on the cake !!!

BTW, that's the first time I heard the name "Ribbon" and I tell ya, I now put that name on the top of my list. For some reason to me, it just fits !!!

Have a safe and Merry Christmas,
Walter :santa:

 

[Walter Smith]

Glen,

NICE SNAKE !!!!

I think these are going to be some really interesting projects. I hope all goes well with yours.

Walter :wavey:

 

[gardenmum]

Walter

I am doing just fine as I hope you are too. Yes, I think an Okeetee with that would be awsome especially if the black stripe on each side could be kept in it, and an ultra varient would be exquisite. I love the look ultra gives and I think an ultra caramel with that would be so cool. Oh, well, dreams and years down the road, but at least dreams that can happen. This is the fun of these guys, all the possibilities and the fun trying to produce them.

Hey, if you get any "ribbon" babies similar to that one down the road when you breed, I will be interested in one.

And, MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and to everyone!!!!!!