Breeding aztecs

[Serpwidgets]

I would expect breeding aztecs to be a lot like breeding Okeetees...

Can you make "Okeetee amels" and "Okeetee Anerys" etc? Yes, but it's not going to be as simple as making amels and anerys, and you can't just act like all of the F1 are "het for Okeetee."

Trying to work aztec (or however you prefer to classify this particular pattern, I like "Ribbon" too) into other lines is going to be like making "Okeetee snows" by crossing a reverse okeetee to an anery. It's a cool project, and I'm sure it can be done, but don't expect the F2s to be as nice as the ones you started with. My guess is that the first decent patterns to come out of those projects will be when the best F2s are crossed on each other to make F3s.

 

[Walter Smith]

It's a cool project, and I'm sure it can be done, but don't expect the F2s to be as nice as the ones you started with.

Hey Chuck,

I am all too familiar with breeding Aztecs and know exactly what you mean.
Back when I was up to my eyes in snakes and breeding I had a 1.3 group of Aztecs and seen quite a few different outcomes from year to year with breeding the same adults.

However, I find from my experience in breeding Aztecs, it is not out of the question to actually get a few offspring that are nicer in pattern than the parents. It seems to be all in the luck of the draw, LOL.

The little guy I have pictured in this thread is actually my first "Ribbon" so I really can't say how his pattern will reproduce, but like you said, it's going to be a cool project !!

BTW, congrats on the new book. I'll be giving you a yell soon for you to send one over.

Later man,
Walter

 

[Glenbrooks]

"Ribbon Projects"

Walter,
Please keep me posted on your project. I am curious to see how the offspring of this trait look and then even more what results from them breeding together. I think the example of the Okeetee (trait not locality) is a helpful way for me to grasp the co-dominant traits as opposed to the simple recessive. (thanks Chuck!)

At first I was concerned that this project was just a waste of effort because of the unpredictability of the Aztec trait. But after I got the snake, I realised that I would be happy just to keep and breed such a beautiful animal, regardless of the outcome!

Thanks everyone for your input. You have been very helpful to a novice cornsnake breeder!

Glen :wavey:

 

[Walter Smith]

Glen,

Will do.

I will for sure keep everyone posted on my results. I'm hoping to get him to breeding size for the 2006 season, so it will be a little while, but in my opinion worth the wait.

Walter :wavey:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Thanks Walt. I'll see if Hurley or I can get a picture of Hurley's ribbon charcoal and post it in here.

It's a pretty neat pattern. I think it'd be interesting on a pewter with the side pattern gone, and I'd be very curious to see how it interacts with motley.

Glen, glad I could help out. "Codominant" isn't really the right word for it (that's just for single-gene traits) but the important part is that you've definitely got the right idea of how it's gonna behave.

Hopefully everyone who's working with it can share information here, and get a handle on what to expect from it a lot more quickly than each of us individually would be able to.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Here's Hurley's charcoal ribbon:

 

[Walter Smith]

Hey Chuck,

Now that you mentioned it, here's a shot of the female I also have.

Later, Walter :wavey:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Awww that's a cute little bugger! This one here is MEAN. I mean he makes my sunkissed kids look calm and friendly.