Buf and Toffee

[eeji]

After lots of speculation whether buf and toffee are the same thing or not, has anyone yet proven this one way or another?

 

[Chip]

I thought Jan over on your side of the pond was supposed to do breeding trials last year? I never heard anything else on it.

 

[JimGERcream]

they look the same, they act the same - I'd say it's the same, but that's just me, not a test result.

I really don't know what breeding them to each other should give for an answer. There will hatch normals (if both are "just" het toffee and het buf) and brownish things which look most likely the same. Does this give any answer? :shrugs:

If there are two females (toffee and buf), I'd breed them both to one and the same male without hets in order to compare those two in more or less one bloodline. If both babys/subadults look the same, I'd assume it's the same. In my mind, breeding two genes which act dominant and look the same to each other would not help very much to find an answer on the question. :shrugs:

 

[JimGERcream]

FYI here are most of the produced morphs of the german toffee bloodlines, just click on the morphs to view the pics.


there are some articles which have the button "Bildergallerie" on the top, that means "picture gallery". If you see that button, you have the oppurtunity to view more pics of the morph.

http://www.farbvarianten-lexikon.de/morphuebersicht.php?suchen=Toffee

 

[Chip]

I take it no "super" in either? Surely there would be...

and that could answer questions with breeding trials.

 

[slangenbroed]

Hello
In the buf line is not mutch done last year, only a clutch ore three, i hope do do more in 2013.And i hope to do testing with anymals witch i think they have the gene in it example buflavender-bufanery-bufhypo-orangehypo.I hope to test theese lines, to look iff iám right, becouse there is no example for me.The only thing that is prove , is the bufultramel ore ( ultraorange )i sold one animal to josua hannink and he produced the orange motley and the bufmotley and i think the bufcaramelmotley.That animal came out of orange x golddustmotley this cross was ment to look if buf is the same as caramel, but in this cross there is no caramel hatched.
And i hope to bred some animals with the buf gene in it, to look if i can produce the ??????? animals.I had two of them but they didn't made it.
The direct cross with buf and toffee is also in the planning but i think it will bring nothing, becouse i think its the same.
My opinion is to look at combo's with the buf ore toffee gene, that will bring more.I saw toffeemotley., toffeeultramel, toffeeanery, and they look the same as bufmotley, bufultramel and bufanery.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126435

 

[slangenbroed]

The ?????? animals the first came out of buf het hypo-amel-charcoal x the same the second came out of buf het amel and hypo x the same. Both animal look like a very light hypo with dark eyes, ore is this the S form i don't now.
Ore has this buf gene something to do with hypo ??????

Greatings

Jan

 

[snakekeepertez]

really needs to be more animals to test with. seems to me as if there is/are so little in numbers that one or two people/lines cannot proves this either way. I wish I cud get a few from either or both lines

 

[eeji]

its going to be a tough call I think with them both dominant and having the same look.