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Can anyone ID this pipping corn?

Serpwidgets

Serpwidgets

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Ghost?
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The mother is a snow, the father is a '00 hatchling of that snow X a miami, which produced about 20 normals between 2000 and 2001. I'm assuming that this is a ghost, meaning the mother is het hypo, and the male that I backcrossed to her is now proven het hypo, too.
 
Nice clear pic!!!

I would say that it's a good looking ghost!

Post a pic when it comes out!
 
Danger, danger, Will Robinson!

I have found that it is best to just ignore the babies until they completely hatch out and have their first shed. That first skin changes the colors somewhat, so it is best to wait until that skin is gone and you can see the real colors before you try to figure out what you have.

!! WARNING !!
I have been seeing a lot of photos lately of snakes that look like they may have come out of their eggs a bit prematurely. Someone is going to learn a very heartbreaking lesson when a baby gets harrassed out of the egg and still has the egg sac connected. This can catch on something and pull the guts right out of the snake. Been there, done that. I learned the hard way. Just leave them alone!
 
Re: Danger, danger, Will Robinson!

Rich Z said:
!! WARNING !!
I have been seeing a lot of photos lately of snakes that look like they may have come out of their eggs a bit prematurely. Someone is going to learn a very heartbreaking lesson when a baby gets harrassed out of the egg and still has the egg sac connected. This can catch on something and pull the guts right out of the snake. Been there, done that. I learned the hard way. Just leave them alone!
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Do you think this one looks premature, or was that coming from somewhere else? If so, what are the indicators, and is there anything I can do (such as not taking so many pics) to reduce the possibility of them hatching prematurely in the future?

I hope this isn't me. Last year I had one hatch with its umbilical cord connected, and I was afraid it would, as you said, catch on something and pull its guts out.

Last year I tried slitting the rest of the eggs 2 days after the first ones pipped, but it didn't make any of them come out earlier. They all just cut their own slits when they were good and ready, so it didn't do any good. This year I'm thinking it's not worth taking the chance of cutting the hatchling inside if it's not going to help anything, so I'm not even slitting any of them.

The only way I bother them is taking pics, which generally makes them go back in and hide for a few minutes. I don't touch them or the egg or anything, and they take forever to hatch... there's a 3-4 day lag between the first and last pip, and a lot of them will pip for 2 days before finally coming out of the egg for good.

Again, I hope this isn't me. But if it is, I'd rather know what I can do now, instead of learning the hard way.
 
Serpwidgets - no it wasn't you whom I was referring to. But I believe I have seen several photos recently where the babies were still covered with the fluid from the eggs, and one photo particularly sticks in my mind where I saw part of the umbilicus (I think that is the correct term) exposed. This is a very dangerous situation for that little snake. Not only can the snake catch it on something (often it will just dry up and be stuck to whatever it is touching), but this is a direct conduit into the gut of the animal which can allow infection to get a toe hold.

I know you are excited about the babies and want to get photos, but just be careful while they are first taking a look at this new world of theirs. You've already waited a good 60 days or more, so another 5 or so shouldn't kill you. ;)
 
So Rich,
what can we do to help those that are already out with their umbilicus sticking out?

So what you basically mean is, once you seem them piping, don't disturb them until all of them are out of the egg right?

Thanks for the info!!!
 
Look at it from the little snakes' perspective. The only time something is going to be rummaging around the hatching eggs will be when a predator has found it, and probably gobbled down it's siblings. So more than likely, instinct will tell the snake to get the heck out of Dodge while it still can! Surviving the possibility of a snagged umbilicus is much more likely than surviving being eaten.

When the eggs in a clutch begin to hatch, I try to leave them alone as long as possible. There may be a few late ones, but I try not to disturb them, yet remove the spend shells so they don't cause a bug problem to begin to crop up in the container.

In many cases, if you have a later hatching snake looking at you nervously from the egg, I have found just touching it on the nose will cause it to back up into the egg completely, and then I can go about my business and be done before it gets inquisitive enough to take another peek at what is going on.

Heck, this doesn't belong here, but let me get it down in print while I am thinking about it:

For years, I used to pull the fresh hatchlings from the incubating container, which contained vermiculite, and put them into another container containing dampened paper towels. I just thought this would be best for them. But I had a heck of a time with the paper towels getting mouldy or drying out too quickly, and some of the babies had trouble shedding that first skin. Getting a baby to dry out prematurely and being unable to shed that first skin successfully can sometimes be a serious problem for the snake.

Anyway, I noticed that when I would go out of town for the August Expo, and eggs were still hatching, invariably I would have a clutch or ten hatch out just before we left, and by the time we got back, they would have mostly shed their skins. I NEVER had any problems when they did it this way. Well DUH! So I just learned my lesson and kept them in the vermiculite, just putting in a water dish for them to get a drink when they wanted it. The problems vanished completely. When they wanted to be dry, they could do so. When they wanted to be in a more dampened environment, they just burrowed down into the vermiculite.

Sometimes all you need to do is to pay attention and you can figure out what to do to solve a problem.
 
It's probably me

I have a few pics of prematurly emerged snakes.

I must admit that Rich has me pegged on this one. I am definately over anxious and hope I don't learn it the hard way!

I will have to make a few adjustments, like one clutch per hatching box. And backing off a bit on the pipping stage.

A word to the wise.......Pay attention to advice from the more experienced. It's saved my butt more than once!

Thanks Rich!
 
Good advice Rich. I'm trying to keep all of this in the back of my mind for my first clutches that I will have either late this year or next.

The picture that popped into my mind when you said that is the one of Clint's opal that shot out of the egg...

BTW, she's a beaut, Clint.
 
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