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Can you beat the 3yr turn over? Well...

I didn't really read this entire thread because my internet is acting weird on me.

Well here is my 2 cents if thats ok?

I purchased several babies in 2005. I bred all snakes in the spring of 2007. NONE were power fed, they were all fed based apon book guidelines. NONE we overweight in anyway. I made 500 babies that year with very very little losses. My Bloodred female produced 21 eggs 1st time around and then accidently doubled clutched with an additional 15 eggs again very little duds if that! 1-3 maybe...my memory isn't the best :)

So maybe I just had alot of luck or maybe as long as you understand your snakes you can do alot with them.

The losses that I experienced were as follows: 1 egg bound female Hypo Stripe...she was perfect, the reason she became egg bound was MY FAULT! Without my stupidity and interuption she would have finished her clutch just fine.
 
OH! I have one other experience to add.

I bred a Male Caramel het Snow to a Female Abbotts Okeetee in 2006, can't remember the exact number of eggs but it was in the teens. Anyways 3 of the eggs were healthy, incubated, and hatched. She was a 3 year old and it was her 1st time.I again bred her to the same male in 2007 and again had the same results. I did not do anything different than I had done with the rest of my corns.

OH...also that male Caramel het Snow also bred to a Caramel Snow female and all eggs hatched just fine.

So again I guess things just happen, the key is.......do what your snakes want to you to do. They give so many signals which makes breeding and feeding and all the rest alot easier! The hard part is being able to understand those signals.

again OMI
 
I agree with this!!! Yes if a female is big enough at 2 years she could breed. But with that you have a chance of stressing her out to the point that she will never breed or lay again or even kill her. Plus on top of that the eggs that you get from a 2 year old is very very few and very small. You might luck out to get 2-4 hatch out of the maybe 7 that she lays. Just better to wait another year unless you are gambling with a new or rare morph.
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False... I had a 2 yrs old female 2 or 3 years back that was 335g, not power fed, bred and produce 14 or 15 eggs no slugs and had them all hatch out.. I sold her and her brother to another breeder and the next year she popped I believe 18 eggs out and this past spring the same animal produced 20 eggs and remained in great health and continues to grow year after year.. I had a male that was a year old and well over 200gs, again, I did not power feed the fellow, and he produced an 16 egg fertile clutch...

We cannot mistakenly assume the snakes are going to be physilogically like ourselves... If they are feed a good diet, exercised decently, not fat asses, and at least 300gs ( there is some bendy in that rule because some females sometimes only get to about 3 ft, Miamis, Lavenders and Upper Keys tend to be smaller animals but they bend rules too ), I personally am not in much fear of breeding a female, regardless of her age be it 2 or 3 yrs old, and sometimes maybe even older..

Jay mentioned the following..


If these are things that can and have happened with young females why should you risk putting undue stress on an animal when you probably should have waited another year. I have learned not to rush the issue. Most of the females we have that we raised from babies are up to par at 3 years of age but I have had and still have animals that won't be ready to breed until they are 4 years old just because I don't feel they are mature enough. We feed on a steady 7-10 day schedule (depending on the size of the animal) and some snakes just grow and mature slower then others. I don't feel comfortable breeding a female that is, in my eyes, boderline to the parameters that would be safe for the snake.
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This Jay is definantly where our expieriance comes into play .. I totally agree that we must be responsible for making sure the animals are definantly up to proper size etc.. I certainly don't want to be mistaken for telling people its ok to bred just any female early, its a fairly rare occasion for me to be able to do that... Most are breedable size here around 3 to 5 yrs..




Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
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TandJ said:
False... I had a 2 yrs old female 2 or 3 years back that was 335g, not power fed, bred and produce 14 or 15 eggs no slugs and had them all hatch out.. I sold her and her brother to another breeder and the next year she popped I believe 18 eggs out and this past spring the same animal produced 20 eggs and remained in great health and continues to grow year after year.. I had a male that was a year old and well over 200gs, again, I did not power feed the fellow, and he produced an 16 egg fertile clutch...

We cannot mistakenly assume the snakes are going to be physilogically like ourselves... If they are feed a good diet, exercised decently, not fat asses, and at least 300gs ( there is some bendy in that rule because some females sometimes only get to about 3 ft, Miamis, Lavenders and Upper Keys tend to be smaller animals but they bend rules too ), I personally am not in much fear of breeding a female, regardless of her age be it 2 or 3 yrs old, and sometimes maybe even older..
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I agree TANDJ
 
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