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Can You Feed Quail to Corns?
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OkeeteeCorn
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At Petco it is against the corperate laws to feed out in the habitats, if anything is to be fed live or frozen, the animal has to removed from the cage, taken into the back room to another enclosure and then fed. We only do this to stay right with Peta and other animal groups. All 600+ Petco stores nationwide comply to California, Local State and City laws.
As far as the city laws go, we cannot feed animals in public places or places the public can go, either pet or wild, they allow the private feeders in back yards but not in public places. I think that is because the crows are larger than most small dogs.
As far as the city laws go, we cannot feed animals in public places or places the public can go, either pet or wild, they allow the private feeders in back yards but not in public places. I think that is because the crows are larger than most small dogs.
Taceas
USW = UB313
Well I'm with Darin again on this one, I wouldn't take the risk of feeding something to my snake that could potentially get it addicted. If you want variety, just try feeding f/t chicken chicks or something. What is this whole fascination with "treats" anyway? They're not like a dog who gets the point of a Milkbone, everything to them is a meal.
But I do have some advice on quail, as I raised them extensively in my youth. Quail are a sensitive bird like all game birds seem to be, not nearly as hardy as a chicken. Common parasites and diseases seen in feed birds, can decimate a quail colony in weeks.
Unlike chickens, quail will and do fly for short distances..they can also jump a considerable height, a box won't hold them for long. So you'd have to have a pretty good sized pen outside for them to run in. It'd have to have a top to keep the quail in and predators out. Cause where you have quail, you're going to end up having everything that likes to eat them around as well..hawks, cats, dogs, raccoons, opossums, skunks, etc. Quail of all ages also need to be fed chicken chick starter mash, as it's smaller sized and has more nutrients in it. Chickens over the years have been bred to subsist on anything we give them. But to keep quail happy and healthy, they need a lot of vitamins and minerals. And chick starter mash is more expensive per bag than regular chicken mash, so that is another consideration as well.
Also, an adult quail is about the size of an adult pigeon, and quite a bit larger than anything a normal adult corn snake could handle. I've had some black rat snakes get into my quail enclosure and kill 5-7 birds a night, but was never able to get them down. All you'd find in the morning was dead birds with a severely stretched neck that looked like it'd been slimed by an army of slugs.
If you're so bound and determined for a treat, just go to the feed store and order some chicks. Right now our Rural King has got all breeds of chicks in for about $1 a piece. Or you can order f/t chicks from RodentPro.
But I don't think "treats" are really good for a snake..it's going to get hooked on something that's outrageously expensive and in order to keep that snake alive you'll have to submit to caviar, instead of just beans. If you want to give it a treat, buy a rat of appropriate size.
But I do have some advice on quail, as I raised them extensively in my youth. Quail are a sensitive bird like all game birds seem to be, not nearly as hardy as a chicken. Common parasites and diseases seen in feed birds, can decimate a quail colony in weeks.
Unlike chickens, quail will and do fly for short distances..they can also jump a considerable height, a box won't hold them for long. So you'd have to have a pretty good sized pen outside for them to run in. It'd have to have a top to keep the quail in and predators out. Cause where you have quail, you're going to end up having everything that likes to eat them around as well..hawks, cats, dogs, raccoons, opossums, skunks, etc. Quail of all ages also need to be fed chicken chick starter mash, as it's smaller sized and has more nutrients in it. Chickens over the years have been bred to subsist on anything we give them. But to keep quail happy and healthy, they need a lot of vitamins and minerals. And chick starter mash is more expensive per bag than regular chicken mash, so that is another consideration as well.
Also, an adult quail is about the size of an adult pigeon, and quite a bit larger than anything a normal adult corn snake could handle. I've had some black rat snakes get into my quail enclosure and kill 5-7 birds a night, but was never able to get them down. All you'd find in the morning was dead birds with a severely stretched neck that looked like it'd been slimed by an army of slugs.
If you're so bound and determined for a treat, just go to the feed store and order some chicks. Right now our Rural King has got all breeds of chicks in for about $1 a piece. Or you can order f/t chicks from RodentPro.
But I don't think "treats" are really good for a snake..it's going to get hooked on something that's outrageously expensive and in order to keep that snake alive you'll have to submit to caviar, instead of just beans. If you want to give it a treat, buy a rat of appropriate size.
Spitfire
Snakeless
$8.99? Are you for real? I could be a millionaire. Did you say that I might need a permit? Cause this company that asvertises with my brothers Boy Scout thing just had a deal. You could buy an incubator with four eggs. The hatch rate is like 50% - 75% but eggs are only a dollar and even less when you buy more. They're already shipping me an order.
(BTW Whats a two side? A drink?)
(BTW Whats a two side? A drink?)
Just A Beginner
New member
UK livefeed
When buying my first corn, I got a nice long "talking to" about livefeeding. In my county, livefeeding is STRICTLY BANNED on vertabrets (crickets n stuff are livefeedable). Livefoods are not easily avaliable at all, although adult mice are sold at petstores for something around £2.99 ~ £4.99, making this completely impractical for corn food. Up to a fiver a pop?? So its those very pricey snake steaks or regular frozen. And as for finicky baby corns, hard cheddar cheeze unfortunately And I have some eggs on the way. I think its because people think its "sick and depraived, these people who feed cute ikle mices to nasty horrid snakes, alive!" Ive explained a hundered times to friends that people who do livefeed are feeding their snakes in a way most accurate to nature, not cause its "cool to watch the mouse get eaten".
Anyway, my corn is offered f/t day-old chicks.
When buying my first corn, I got a nice long "talking to" about livefeeding. In my county, livefeeding is STRICTLY BANNED on vertabrets (crickets n stuff are livefeedable). Livefoods are not easily avaliable at all, although adult mice are sold at petstores for something around £2.99 ~ £4.99, making this completely impractical for corn food. Up to a fiver a pop?? So its those very pricey snake steaks or regular frozen. And as for finicky baby corns, hard cheddar cheeze unfortunately
And I have some eggs on the way. I think its because people think its "sick and depraived, these people who feed cute ikle mices to nasty horrid snakes, alive!" Ive explained a hundered times to friends that people who do livefeed are feeding their snakes in a way most accurate to nature, not cause its "cool to watch the mouse get eaten".Anyway, my corn is offered f/t day-old chicks.
Cornfan
Corn Snake Addict
I've bred for a number of years now and have encountered many non-feeders among my hatchlings. I've never lost one yet and have never had to resort to live feeding. There are many different ways of getting a corn to feed unassisted ........ eventually. Time and patience are required.
Live feeding here in the UK is not blanket banned. There are exceptional circumstances where it would be allowable as a complete last resort in order to save the life of a snake (or any other animal) who would clearly rather die than eat anything else. This has strict guidelines, however, that must be followed to ensure the safety of the snake and as little suffering to the prey item.
I couldn't give a dam about how cute mice are or whether it's cruel to them, it's the safety of my snake that I'm concerned about and would choose not to feed live anyway so that there's no chance of a bite from a frightened prey item.
Live feeding here in the UK is not blanket banned. There are exceptional circumstances where it would be allowable as a complete last resort in order to save the life of a snake (or any other animal) who would clearly rather die than eat anything else. This has strict guidelines, however, that must be followed to ensure the safety of the snake and as little suffering to the prey item.
I couldn't give a dam about how cute mice are or whether it's cruel to them, it's the safety of my snake that I'm concerned about and would choose not to feed live anyway so that there's no chance of a bite from a frightened prey item.
Just A Beginner
New member
Do you know anywhere that the full guidelines of livefeeding are written? There is allot of mystery surrounding it among the people I know who also keep reptiles, nobody seems sure of what is/isnt legal. Its just out of curiosity mind, I have no intention of feeding live when althernatives are avaliable.
MegF.
That's for sale???
So does some snake patrol go around arresting wild snakes for eating live wild rodents? What do they think snakes eat in the wild? Frozen/Thawed? Just for the record, I feed mine f/t too, for the safety of my snake, not to give the mouse a break. I don't like to see animals suffer, but my snake used to eat live fuzzies, and constricted them instantly. They didn't suffer much. She was pretty quick!
OkeeteeCorn
New member
If I do feed live I stun the mouse, and then drop it in his feeding tank, where it still moves a bit but cant bite him.
Found out (after I started all this debating!!) That is isn't actually written down anywhere that its illegal here in the UK, its just 'frowned upon' - trust us to be snobby about it!! Although as mines always been fed frozen stuff I'll stick to that... And what the heck do they think snakes do in the wild?? Wait for a nice person to come by and drop em a defrosted meal?? Or maybe they go to Mouse Donalds... Hmmm...
galaxip
New member
Sick World
Everywhere in the world, people of remedial conviction are led by people of retarded intellect and reprohensible conduct.
Only offer Politically Correct food items to our pets?
I'm so mad I could spit.
Who's the creep who decides what is a humane method of execution, BTW? Like freezing is fun. Or maybe a blow to the head is considered a pleasure?
'Humane Death' is a nonsense; suffering is subjective, is <i>not</i> measurable; dead is dead.
I guarantee you it takes my snake less time to kill prey than the Frigidaire does. At least the snake offers a 'natural' alternative. That's not much consolation to the mouse, but honestly: What would be?
Everywhere in the world, people of remedial conviction are led by people of retarded intellect and reprohensible conduct.
Only offer Politically Correct food items to our pets?
I'm so mad I could spit.
Who's the creep who decides what is a humane method of execution, BTW? Like freezing is fun. Or maybe a blow to the head is considered a pleasure?
'Humane Death' is a nonsense; suffering is subjective, is <i>not</i> measurable; dead is dead.
I guarantee you it takes my snake less time to kill prey than the Frigidaire does. At least the snake offers a 'natural' alternative. That's not much consolation to the mouse, but honestly: What would be?
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
"Who's the creep who decides what is a humane method of execution, BTW? Like freezing is fun. Or maybe a blow to the head is considered a pleasure?"
"A blow to the head can be a humane method of euthanasia for . . .animals with thin craniums, . . .if a single sharp blow delivered to the central skull bones with sufficient force can produce immediate depression of the central nervous system and destruction of brain tissue."
Under the heading of "Euthanasia by a blow to the head" in the Report of the AVMA Panel on Euthanasia, p. 681
"A blow to the head can be a humane method of euthanasia for . . .animals with thin craniums, . . .if a single sharp blow delivered to the central skull bones with sufficient force can produce immediate depression of the central nervous system and destruction of brain tissue."
Under the heading of "Euthanasia by a blow to the head" in the Report of the AVMA Panel on Euthanasia, p. 681