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Cloudy eyes, don't look like caps

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allrounder621

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My female charcoal corn's eyes are cloudy, so I brought her to my friend at work, she is a vet tech, and she said they did not look like caps to her. I do not know if she shed, she is in a tank with my male corn and there was one shed, so it could have been either one. Could it be cateracs? Her colors aren't dull, they are very bright actually. Also, it looks like she can't see.
 
Sounds like she's going into shed, but the cohabbing is a real concern. I'm too tired to write a book, but I'm assuming you understand snakes are not social animals, become stressed when forced to live with a cage mate, can be cannibalistic when kept together, and most importantly will breed prolifically which will result in the eventual death of your female.

I would get a 2nd tank and keep an eye on her eyes, but those are symptoms of a shed:)
 
I actually bought her as a friend for my male, he was shut in a door when he was about a year so he is deformed and crippled from the middle of his back to the end of his tail. He was very lonely and became much more active and happy looking when she came. They get along great and even sleep together, he will curl up around her like he is protecting her. Neither of them seem stressed.
 
The curling up you see is not cuddling. Its a sign they are competing for space and trying to establish dominance not love:(

Your male being more active and the "cuddling" are signs of stress as well and not his happiness to have a friend. The injury may have rendered him impetent, but also may not have either you never really know.

Snakes don't have the ability to feel happy, love, lonely, or friendship these are human emotions and not ones of a reptile. The sentiment on your part was sweet, but dangerous for both of them. If your female is the one who shed then your looking at eye caps, if not then she's most likely in preshed, but when you cohab you'll never know another great reason to separate:)
 
allrounder621 said:
I actually bought her as a friend for my male, he was shut in a door when he was about a year so he is deformed and crippled from the middle of his back to the end of his tail. He was very lonely and became much more active and happy looking when she came. They get along great and even sleep together, he will curl up around her like he is protecting her. Neither of them seem stressed.
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That's very anthropomorphic of you.

Anyway, I'd agree that it initially sounds like the snake is going in blue for a shed. Can you get a picture of the snake in question.
 
It is just what it looks like, not saying that is what it is. I can not get a good picture of her as I do not have a good camera. Can snakes form cataracts? Also, I am not worried about them living together at the moment, as they have been doing so for months, and if he was able to reproduce they would have done so by now. Except for Clara's eyes they are both quite healthy and eat very well.

PS: How do we know they can not have feelings? Mammals have feelings, why can't reptiles?
 
allrounder621 said:
It is just what it looks like, not saying that is what it is. I can not get a good picture of her as I do not have a good camera. Can snakes form cataracts? Also, I am not worried about them living together at the moment, as they have been doing so for months, and if he was able to reproduce they would have done so by now. Except for Clara's eyes they are both quite healthy and eat very well.

PS: How do we know they can not have feelings? Mammals have feelings, why can't reptiles?
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Yes, they can develop cataracts. The ones that develop cataracts are very old animals, just like in humans.

As far as the cohabbing... I'm not even going to feed the troll on this one.
 
allrounder621 said:
Unless they have bad genetics, an animal, human or not, can develop cataracts no matter how old. She is only 2.
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I was speaking in generic terms. When you see a human or other animal with cataracts, they are generally older. However, if it's NOT cataracts, and some sort of illness, you need to separate your animals IMMEDIATELY. Breeding isn't the only downside to cohabbing. Cannibalism, undue stress, illness, etc. are among the many reasons to not cohab. Please reconsider separating them.

Emily1188 said:
I'm confused. Why ask if you already know?
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I smell a troll.
 
I believe you snake is getting ready to shed by the sounds of it.

allrounder621 said:
Also, I am not worried about them living together at the moment, as they have been doing so for months, and if he was able to reproduce they would have done so by now. Except for Clara's eyes they are both quite healthy and eat very well.
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You should be worried, it is a big deal. You not knowing which of your snakes shed is one warning sign. You should keep track of each animal. If you cohab you can't tell which one shed, which one pooped and if they regurge you won't know which one did it. Just because your male is injured there is still a very good chance he is still able to breed and even if he is impotent he will still try to breed which will be extremely stressful for the female.

Cohabbing is dangerous and you are putting your animals health at risk. They may seem happy to you but they are not. The activity and cuddling you see is stress and that stress can eventually make them sick. I cohabbed two corns for 5 years and they were cohabbed before I rescued them and they never breed until the 5th year I had them. The female was to small to breed and it was dangerous and she was extremely skinny after laying 14 eggs. After she put weight on I put her back with the male where he continued to try and mate with her. He would also "cuddle" with her in the hide, and one day I saw him pushing her head against the wall of the hide. I don't know how many times something like that happened because normally I could not see inside their hide. If I kept them together they would have killed eachother or he would have mated with her till it killed her.

I didn't realize there were problems with cohabbing until there was a big problem, that is when I realized all the warning signs. I even argued with Beth about cohabbing, which I remember very well and feel bad about agruing with her because she was right and I am glad I finally listened to her. It is so much better not cohabbing and it feels better knowing there isn't even a chance of my snakes getting hurt or sick by cohabbing. We can only tell you what can happen and the experiences we've had but in the end it is your choice whether to risk it or not. We are just concerned for the health and well being of your snakes, which is why so many people stress not to cohab.

You should atleast go and buy a clear rubbermaid tub (or similar brand), put lots of holes in it and keep her in that until you figure out what if anything is wrong with her eyes. This way if it is something contagious it doesn't spread to the other snake.
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1) provide proper food shelter and water
2) dont cause stress, misery, or pain

my two main rules. they seem kind of simplistic, but as general guidlines, they work. dont keep your snakes together, they are not happy like that or loanly. by doing so your at the very least causing stress. if you dont belive what the people here tell you, theres no point in asking questions. you asked about one issue and uncovered another larger one, now the best plan is to take free good advice from experts, or belive your own inexperance as the best information.
 
hey allrounder, im no expert but i do know that cohabbing is bad and im pretty sure some of these folk could get u pics of all the bad things that can happen (theres already threads about it somewhere). and also i can safely say u should listen and take in ALL the advice these people tell you, in my experiences they know far far more then most people.. just my 2 cents ;)
 
Really listen on the cohabing thing....when I first got into owning corn snakes, I bought mine from a local pet shop that cohabed the corns they were selling. The first I bought a beautiful normal (Isis) and then 2 wks later I bought a gorgeous amel (Asbit).

Unknown to me the Amel was very sick, it died within 15 days. The big problem, I was not a member here yet, I had not done enough research yet and my books on corn snake keeping had not arrived yet, so I believed the pet store and cohabed Isis and Asbit.

It broke my heart to loose Asbit, the pet store would not get me another amel to replace him and I had to prove to them that they sold me a sick snake to get an in store credit for supplies. Isis fought hard to stay alive, between myself the vet and Isis he held on for another 2 mths before he had to be euthanized, because he was so ill and the vet could do nothing to help him. Again my heart broke. As well, I lost approx $800 between purchase costs, vet costs and travel costs to and from the reptile vet 3 hrs away!!

Really it is not worth the risks......Asbit and Isis showed no signs at all of being sick, until the day of the regurge...then I had no idea who regurged because they were cohabed. Two days after the regurge Asbit was died in my hands! Reptiles are famous for hiding illness, so you may think your snakes are healthy but unless you are regularly going to the vet for batteries of tests...you do not know for sure.
 
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