common or anery?

[Chris Olson]

But no snake can be het for miami its not genetic.

I'm aware of that. Thus the :grin01: at the end of my original post. It was a joke intended for Joe.

Oooo! Are we going to have this debate again? Milksnake phase is milksnake phase, aka banded. Although started with the Miami phase, they don't necessarily have to be Miami phase.

And although Miami phase corns were originally named for some specimens located in/around Dade county, Florida, they are not, nor have been, specifically a locality morph...not like the locality vs look debate with Okeetees anyway. They are normals selectively bred to have a very light tan/white or silver ground color. And they don't speak Spanish...unlike just about everyone else in Miami other than tourists.

Certainly no debate here. Your absolutely right, but while they are selectively bred to have light tan/white/gray background colors, that miami look is most common in southern florida. It was perhaps a little erroneous for me to label them a geographic race.....but no more of an error than to call them selectively bred and leave it at that. It's amazing to me that my original post was even taken as anything other than play.

Thanks, Chris

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

I guess i missed the joke, but i understand what your saying. However corns from any where can show the miami trait and a lot of corns from southern florida dont show the miami trait.

Also so few corns expressing the miami trait are being taken from the wild, and so many are being captively bred, that they should not be considerd a locality corn. They should only be consider a locality corn if they are from southern florida.

Much like okeetees miamies are mostly selectivly bred and should be consider a selectively bred morph with roots in wild corns, who have light grey or tan ground color and dark red saddles. I think it is better to call them miami style or miami trait. calling them miami corns is a misnomer.

 

[Chris Olson]

I guess i missed the joke, but i understand what your saying. However corns from any where can show the miami trait and a lot of corns from southern florida dont show the miami trait.

Also so few corns expressing the miami trait are being taken from the wild, and so many are being captively bred, that they should not be considerd a locality corn. They should only be consider a locality corn if they are from southern florida.

Much like okeetees miamies are mostly selectivly bred and should be consider a selectively bred morph with roots in wild corns, who have light grey or tan ground color and dark red saddles. I think it is better to call them miami style or miami trait. calling them miami corns is a misnomer.

You have illustrated your point very well.

Chris

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Thank you for your acknowledgements Chris

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

you made some very good points, and appreciate a good corn snake disscusion.

 

[Roy Munson]

But no snake can be het for miami its not genetic.

The first statement is correct, but not the second. No snake can be het for Miami, but the look IS genetic. It is not a simple recessive, but it is polygenic in its inheritance.

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Oh Sorry didnt realize.

 

[Susan]

It's amazing to me that my original post was even taken as anything other than play.

Thanks, Chris

But I WAS playing! I guess my "Oooo!" didn't come across well.

 

[fetange]

Is that a pure corn? It looks exactly like some of my freshly hatched emoryis. To me, your corn looks to fat to be just a normal corn. :crazy02:

 

[slangenbroed]

Have you pics from the adults
I think looking at this anymal that here is emory in the game look at the sadels end the grey between them, and it way to fet for a normal.
I had emorys and they look the same only the orange on the haed wasn't there.
Can you bluw up the pic to see the sadels better.

 

[Sedda]

Here's the mom:

And here's the dad:

 

[Sedda]

 

[slangenbroed]

Mom look ia a emory to me, and dad look like a normal corn

 

[JarrodRandel]

IF this were the case...

Not to metion that corn snake morphs which have a relation to a certain geographical area are kind of selectivly bred by nature its called beneficial mutation. The coloration or pattern has changed to better adapt to a certain locality.

If this were the case, wouldnt the miami phase cornsnakes speak spanish and eat cuban sandwiches to ensure their survival?

my $0.02
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[TandJ]

Also, hang with Fidel and smoke cigar's?? But that might be an assumption on my side though! :bang: :cheers:

Regards... Tim of T and J

 

[Roy Munson]

Mom look ia a emory to me, and dad look like a normal corn

Mom looks at least 50% emoryi. Her saddle count looks very low for pure emoryi, but who knows?

 

[Sedda]

what is an emoryi???

but just wanted to add a pic of one of the hatchlings that I find the most beautiful

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Elaphe gattata emoryi or Great Plains Rat Snake. Its a sort of drab looking subspecies of the common corn snake Elaphe guttata guttata. The mom looks pretty emoryi at least 50%. She could be full emoryi from all that grey, the faded head pattern and somewhat small saddles.

 

[Susan]

Mom doesn't have to be an Emory...she looks like she can be an anery corn to me. Not all anerys are black. Many are shades of grey and brown. And if you're going to start counting saddles...did anyone take a look at how many Dad has?

 

[Roy Munson]

Mom doesn't have to be an Emory...she looks like she can be an anery corn to me. Not all anerys are black. Many are shades of grey and brown. And if you're going to start counting saddles...did anyone take a look at how many Dad has?

Coloration had nothing to do with my assessment, actually. The head pattern and shape of that mother snake look VERY emoryi to me. In fact, her head looks very much like that of my pure emoryis.