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Creamsicle or Amel?

princess

princess

Cornaholic
What would you call this one. She's a 6 year old cornsnake who I have at my place for a few months for a breeding project as her owner has a normal coloured male with no hets and would rather produce something other than normals, so she's going in with my snow.

He was describing her as a beautiful light orange amel (which made me think creamsicle) and told me that 2 of her babies from last year had perfect heart shaped head markings (which is often seen on creamsicles/rootbeers) -and then I saw her...and the first thing I thought was that she seems a little too light orange to be a straight corn.

She's 6 years old and not super huge (280g right now -but will weigh more before I breed her), so that's one mark against the creamsicle vote..but otherwise...I dunno??

These colours show her colour pretty accurately on my screen, I hope they do on yours too. Can you all please tell me if you think she's a hybrid or if you've seen such light orange amels(that you know to be pure) before.

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If she is a hybrid (in your opinions) it won't change the project, we'll just be sure to tell the babies buyers.

Cheers,
Adèle
 
She looks awful yellow-ish to be a pure corn. I'm thinking creamsicle. That coloration on her hind 1/3rd gets really light, and I haven't seen any amels that have that happen to them. We'll see what our hybrid expert (Joe) thinks. LOL!
 
She does not look like a 'typical' amel; yet, i have seen about as much variation in amels as in normals. I just acquired a reverse okeetee (~1.5 year old), which is fully colored (as of right now) with the same salmon background color as I see on the tail-half of your snake.
 
Thanks for your replies all!

Your answers help to confirm my suspicions, so the babies will be indeed sold as creamsicle het anery.

Thanks again,
Adèle
 
Is not I creamsicel

Is not I creamsicel.
The Creamsicel is yello, its look more like a candy...

//Patrik
 
Hi Patrick and thanks for your reply too, but your answer just goes to illustrate how so many Scandinavians will mislable a snake. This snake shows much too much ground colour to score points as a candycane.

Creamsicles are not always orange, thay have variation in them too.

I think I'll stick with the conclusions that the others have offered.
 
I'm thinking creamsicle. That coloration on her hind 1/3rd gets really light, and I haven't seen any amels that have that happen to them.
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Dunno... waaay back when I first got started in cornsnakes, I wound up with an amel from Rich that looked quite a bit like the amel in that pic. So... either my monitor's messed up, or the snake in the pic isn't necessarily a creamsicle.

-Kat
 
PatrikE said:
Is not I creamsicel.
The Creamsicel is yello, its look more like a candy...

//Patrik
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Patrik, I agree with Princess that it is not a candy[cane]. Candycanes are going to show a red/white pattern, like a 'candycane' :santa: --hence the name.
 
Your female resembles this pure corn - though the orange tones of the saddle are suggestive of creamsicle, I have seen a reddish-orange color in pure corns from this line with a very pale background color - mother is a reverse okeetee and father was striped,
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While you may wish to market the youngsters as 'unknown' or possibly mixed ancestry, I don't think you can be sure of creamsicle background based on color alone. Also worth considering that some people who buy creamsicles are buying them because they expect it to be a creamsicle, that is what they are looking for, and it is worth it to be clear to them that these babies are unknown, not confirmed creamsicles with great plains ratsnake heritage.

She is a very pretty snake - regardless of ancestry,

mary v.
 
I have to agree with Mary. I have seen a number of "pure" corns with that orange coloration. We even one one :)

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I also agree that unless you know for sure that your snake has Great Plains in her background then the offspring should not be sold as Creamsicles. I personally would be very upset to find out my Creamsicles were sold to me simply cause they are orange and yellow.

~Jeff C.
 
I saw some nice snakes that had a spectacular orange candycane as a dad and a reverse Okeetee as a mum which came out quite orange and similar to this animal, but they were nothing like this girl really. The first thing I thought when I opened the box was 'creamsicle', but I do agree, we can't label the babies as anything other than 'likely' creamsicles. Then again, she is probably quite diluted and the babies would be even more so, so the babies won't really look anything like creamsicles after all!!!
 
Ok

danvega said:
Patrik, I agree with Princess that it is not a candy[cane]. Candycanes are going to show a red/white pattern, like a 'candycane' :santa: --hence the name.
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Ok...
You have right....

//Patrik
 
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