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Creamsicle tesserra

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Beansbro1

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I have a male amel tesserra and a female creamsicle. If I breed can I get creamsicle tesserras or will it just be amels and amel tesserras
 
Well, from what I understand you will only get creamsicles and creamsicle tesserras. I got a creamsicle male in a group last year and I asked the same thing and this what I was told.
 
I agree with Jereme, Though the creamsicles are from hybridization. Breeding to another corn MIGHT reduce the ratsnake's influence and make them a little more amel looking.
They are going to be pretty snakes, no matter what! Do you know any of the genetics on these snakes? Maybe you will be surprised with something neat from het genes!
 
oops I meant to add, that Tesseras are suspected of being from hybrids also. But not from the same species.

Do we get to see pictures?
 
nancyg said:
Though the creamsicles are from hybridization. Breeding to another corn MIGHT reduce the ratsnake's influence and make them a little more amel looking.
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True. Creamsicles were not hybrids some years ago, when P emoryi were a subspecies.
Today human classification of the snakes have changed and now P emoryi is another species.

Your snake is what it is, independent of what humans think of it.
 
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She had her first shed of the year and finally broke 400g so I figured why not try. It's a first for both of them so who knows. They did there little dances but no takers. Might try againfri if no interest then should I keep trying or wait for her to shed again?
 
nancyg said:
oops I meant to add, that Tesseras are suspected of being from hybrids also.
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Not by most people. *Every* new mutation is suspected of being a hybrid, until it's not. The tessera thing has been hashed out for hundreds of pages on here if anyone cares to read it. In my opinion, it holds no water. It would involve people creating hybrids, breeding the visual king out of them, and then selling them for chump change -as well as respected people being liars. I put tessera being a hybrid theory up there with chem-trails. And yes, emoryis were reclassified to their own species, so rootbeers and such that used to not be hybrids, now are. I'm no fan of hybrids, but emoryi are very, very closely related to corns. Not sure most people could tell them apart in a black and white photo.
 
Hrm.. So genetically, what is a creamsickle versus an amel? Ians vivarium morph guide lists them as an amel hybrid.. Is it a different version of amel? ( maybe from the Emoryi side?)
Is it like how motley is dominant over stripe, even though both are recessive?
Or would it be considered to be more like candy canes (selectively bred amels)

The pictures I see show orange on paler orange color. Whereas the 'normal' amels I see are more of a red/reddish and yellow/orange.
 
nancyg said:
Hrm.. So genetically, what is a creamsickle versus an amel? Ians vivarium morph guide lists them as an amel hybrid.. Is it a different version of amel? ( maybe from the Emoryi side?)
Is it like how motley is dominant over stripe, even though both are recessive?
Or would it be considered to be more like candy canes (selectively bred amels)

The pictures I see show orange on paler orange color. Whereas the 'normal' amels I see are more of a red/reddish and yellow/orange.
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Creamsicle really is nothing other than an emoryi x corn cross that is amelanistic. The amel genes in both species are compatible, so the amel gene has to come from both sides, just like in corns. The color difference is likely just from the fact that they are a different subspecies and the whole genetic markup is different in hybrids ^^
 
The original creamsicles were spawned from albino corn snake x normal great plains rat and then breeding the offspring back to each other or back to the albino corn parent.

Back then, GP rats were a subspecies of corn, thus making the pairing an intergrade. Taxonomic work was done some years ago on the emoryi complex, resulting in the elevation of emoryi to full species and listing of subspecies within it. This elevation now renders the cross a hybrid. More recent work, according to some, has sunk those subspecies (meahlmorum and intermontana). The albino gene from GP rats didn't play into the production of creamsicle corn until the first naturally occuring albino GP rat snake was found in the wilds of Kansas in the mid-90s and brought forward to the hobby by Don Soderberg.

Genetically speaking of the original crossing, a creamsicle is an albino corn x great plains rat hybrid. Percentage wise, the originally produced creamsicles would either be approximately and very roughly 50% corn snake and 50% great plains rat snake (i.e., any albino offspring from breeding the F1 brothers and sister back to each other ) or 75% corn and 25% GP rat (i.e., any albino offspring that result from pairing the F1 back to the albino corn).

Typically and hypothetically speaking, your more orange colored creamsicle corns should be around 50/50 corn to GP rat or lean a little heavier on the GP rat influence.
 
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