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creamsicle

I believe I'll follow on with the requested creamsicle pictures.

Here is my little creamsicle motley, Korben.

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chris68 said:
I know a couple breeders who breed various emory rat/corn crosses, "creamsicles" are just the amel version. Just about every recessive gene in found in corn snakes has probably been crossed into "creams" :)
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Thanks for sharing and so it appears that we do have many morphs....


Beautiful little one feeding. I love the motley look.
 
Would you settle for there are many possible phenotypic variants of creamsicle? Which in short means, other recessive genes can be bred into hybrid corn snakes thus affecting their paint job or phenotype.... i.e. what we van visibly see.
 
airenlow said:
No, creamsicle does not have other morphs.
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Or would you deny that a hybrid such as creamsicle can in fact have any of the same recessive or dominant genes bred into from a corn snake? Those genes whether they are recessive, dominant, co-dominant, or selectively breed for can indeed be present and present themselves in any hybrid whether it is creamsicle or not.

Whether a gene affects the color or pattern of a corn snake those same genes that are responsible for those colors and patterns can indeed be transfered between the species. There is no magical hole in the sky such genes fall through that render them unable to function when dealing with a hybrid such as creamsicle or a corn snake of such mixed up heritage that no known naturally occurring localities are known the creation you have at hand with that exact morphology.
 
dave partington said:
Carpe, you should write a book to set the world str8.
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I simply try to share the little I know in hopes that others may share what they know. In this manner, my hope is that a clearer understanding of what is being asked and what is meant may present itself. It is all about right understanding.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
Would you settle for there are many possible phenotypic variants of creamsicle? Which in short means, other recessive genes can be bred into hybrid corn snakes thus affecting their paint job or phenotype.... i.e. what we can visibly see.
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I still think this question is important.
 
Creamsicle is a morph... an amel morph of rootbeers which are normal offspring of emoyri x corn pairing. I believe is what the point is...:headbang: but of course I could be way off base!
 
chris68 said:
I know a couple breeders who breed various emory rat/corn crosses, "creamsicles" are just the amel version. Just about every recessive gene in found in corn snakes has probably been crossed into "creams" :)
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I think you understand exactly what was meant by the original question. Whether one calls a cornsnake x great plains ratsnake a rootbeer, cinnamon, fudgsicle, snowsicle, etc. lets us know what type of genes are influencing this cross. This is what was meant by the original question, but albeit... not very well articulated. Hiding behind semantics and not answering the question may make one feel smart, but it does nothing to further another person's understanding unless they continue to ask questions. Yes, there are many morphs or phenotypic possibilities within the cornsnake x great plains rat cross. That was what was meant and that is what was understood.... :roflmao:
 

Here is a pic of a snake I adopted last month from a co-worker who bought it from a local Repticon show last year. His seven y/o son lost interest in it and he was going to let it go in the wild. They bought it as a Creamsicle hatchling. I have no experience with the hybrid morph, so I'm not going to make any references to what it actually is. Just thought it was a pretty animal with all the white and did not want to see it go to its demise in the wild.
 
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Cinnamon (Cornsnake x Great Plains Ratsnake) hypomelanistic
Creamsicle (Cornsnake x Great Plains Ratsnake) Amelanistic
Fudgsicle (Cornsnake x Great Plains Ratsnake) Anerythristic
Rootbeer (Copper) (Cornsnake x Great Plains Ratsnake) No description available
Snowsicle (Cornsnake x Great Plains Ratsnake) Amelanistic Anerythristic

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/?sid=f9f7aafa7f10a44538e8f691f35b5cd1

So, if one clarifies and states one can indeed have a corn snake x great plains rat snake that has lavender, sunkissed, or tessera genes then one can see that any hybrid can have any added genes from either parent species to make it have the phenotypic expression typical of those added genes. My apologies for not being clearer. Now, how one wishes to label those phenotypic expressions between hybrids and pure specimens... that can also differ. Such as when on states that is an amel corn snake or that is a creamsicle (corn x great plains rat). It is also somewhat arbitrary as a fudgsicle is anerythristic and not amelanistic at all. Which leaves us to the question, if different morphs are possible between corn snake and great plains rat.... how are these new morph combinations to be labeled or who gets to choose what to call them?
 
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