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'Designer Corns'
- Thread starter Neil
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SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
How are you introuble???
#1 I love to debate/argue (ask my husband hehehe)
#2 I am not angered one ounce.
#3 It is a debate and we all love to share our opinions. That is what makes us good help for eacher. We are not all atoma-tons marching to a single drum to the edge of a clift like lemmings!
Do dont be upset that you brought up a VERY good point. Just understand w/o conflict life would be pretty boring
#1 I love to debate/argue (ask my husband hehehe)
#2 I am not angered one ounce.
#3 It is a debate and we all love to share our opinions. That is what makes us good help for eacher. We are not all atoma-tons marching to a single drum to the edge of a clift like lemmings!
Do dont be upset that you brought up a VERY good point. Just understand w/o conflict life would be pretty boring
Axe
Hideously Addicted!
Regardless of what it may or may not infer (as to the value of the animal, or the love and affection such an animal may or may not receive from its breeder).. the term "designer" isn't exactly very useful, and will probably piss people off if it reaches a widespread use.
"So hey, what kind of corns you got?"
"Oh, they're designers"
"Huh? Hypomelanistic? Anerythristic? Amelanistic?"
"Umm.. I dunno.. pet shop just had 'em labelled as 'designer corns'".
Personally though, I feel it's just a marketing ploy to make normally non-snake people (uneducated n00bs) think they're getting something special. Well, they are, but one phase is no more special than another.
Regardless of species, any animal we take under our care requires the exact same respect, love and attention it deserves - absolute.
"So hey, what kind of corns you got?"
"Oh, they're designers"
"Huh? Hypomelanistic? Anerythristic? Amelanistic?"
"Umm.. I dunno.. pet shop just had 'em labelled as 'designer corns'".
Personally though, I feel it's just a marketing ploy to make normally non-snake people (uneducated n00bs) think they're getting something special. Well, they are, but one phase is no more special than another.
Regardless of species, any animal we take under our care requires the exact same respect, love and attention it deserves - absolute.
I bet whem they put "designer " on their site they were thinking "now that will set us apart"!!LOL If they could see this thread!
I have at times gotten replies to posts that when I first read them really got me mad, but before I answer I always wait and have my husband read it. I can't tell you how many times his view of what the person meant was totally different then mine. On the other hand there is a difference between expressing your opinion and attacking someone elses. The trick is properly expressing yourself thru this media. It shows just how much we rely on the tone of voice, ect.
Heck as if you all hadn't noticed I can't live without my spell check!!!
Colleen
I have at times gotten replies to posts that when I first read them really got me mad, but before I answer I always wait and have my husband read it. I can't tell you how many times his view of what the person meant was totally different then mine.
On the other hand there is a difference between expressing your opinion and attacking someone elses. The trick is properly expressing yourself thru this media. It shows just how much we rely on the tone of voice, ect.Heck as if you all hadn't noticed I can't live without my spell check!!!
Colleen
HomeBreeder
Herphilious Lunacious
Yes, judicious use of 's usually helps remind the reader not to take me too seriously - at least that's my hope.
^Curtis
's usually helps remind the reader not to take me too seriously - at least that's my hope.^Curtis
wow what and interesting thread we have here. So of course I had to add my two cents worth. And here is my opinion:
If you add "designer" to anything I think all it does is add price. For instance shoes at K-mart $30 designer shoes from Nike $150. Maybe some people add that to make their animals sound better and worth more money than the "average run of the mill" snake. of course if you ask me none of my snakes are average run of the mill, but everyone has their own opinion. When I see a site that says "designer" I think nice looking snakes that will cost more than I have. But like I said that is my own opinion...
If you add "designer" to anything I think all it does is add price. For instance shoes at K-mart $30 designer shoes from Nike $150. Maybe some people add that to make their animals sound better and worth more money than the "average run of the mill" snake. of course if you ask me none of my snakes are average run of the mill, but everyone has their own opinion. When I see a site that says "designer" I think nice looking snakes that will cost more than I have. But like I said that is my own opinion...
Missymonkey
New member
pepsi or coke? does it reeally matter!?
and the sad this is, people will buy those nike shoes for the brand name, or calvin kliens, or michael jordan perfume, ect... and people will buy those corns because they are designer many will buy them without researching the market to see if they are getting a fair price,... but whats wrong with that, it's just a name, and an easy way to make some money off relatively superfishal people
and the sad this is, people will buy those nike shoes for the brand name, or calvin kliens, or michael jordan perfume, ect... and people will buy those corns because they are designer many will buy them without researching the market to see if they are getting a fair price,... but whats wrong with that, it's just a name, and an easy way to make some money off relatively superfishal people
I just skimmed over this thread.......
So maybe I missed a comment that I will be duplicating here.
But my take on the 'designer' label is a bit different from what most people appear to be taking as an interpretation. When I hear that term applied to live animals, I think in relation to a person (a designer) having a hand in how he/she breeds the animals in order to promote or create a specific 'design', be it color or pattern. Certainly many of the cultivars I am now working on were conscious efforts at getting them to look the way they now do, hence I would be their 'designer', and they would be 'Designer Corns'. They are the way they are by design, not accident or hapstance.
So is this any different from someone whom would design a handbag or a line of clothing? I think not. It's just that our medium is living animals. But the act of designing is no less a challenge, and perhaps more so because of the unknown variables and influences genetics throws our way.
Simply put, any cultivar that is the result of a combination of genes that has not occurred, and likely will not occur, in a wild population, or a cultivar that is the result of selective breeding to enhance a particular look, could be safely said to be a 'designer corn'. And I don't see where anyone should feel embarrassed at the term or bothered about it in the context it is being applied.
IMHO, of course.
So maybe I missed a comment that I will be duplicating here.
But my take on the 'designer' label is a bit different from what most people appear to be taking as an interpretation. When I hear that term applied to live animals, I think in relation to a person (a designer) having a hand in how he/she breeds the animals in order to promote or create a specific 'design', be it color or pattern. Certainly many of the cultivars I am now working on were conscious efforts at getting them to look the way they now do, hence I would be their 'designer', and they would be 'Designer Corns'. They are the way they are by design, not accident or hapstance.
So is this any different from someone whom would design a handbag or a line of clothing? I think not. It's just that our medium is living animals. But the act of designing is no less a challenge, and perhaps more so because of the unknown variables and influences genetics throws our way.
Simply put, any cultivar that is the result of a combination of genes that has not occurred, and likely will not occur, in a wild population, or a cultivar that is the result of selective breeding to enhance a particular look, could be safely said to be a 'designer corn'. And I don't see where anyone should feel embarrassed at the term or bothered about it in the context it is being applied.
IMHO, of course.
Axe
Hideously Addicted!
To most of the people on this forum, whilst maybe relatively new to corns, yet not necessarily new to keeping herps... that probably makes a lot of sense Rich.
It certainly does to me.
But, aimed toward the uneducated, I tend to agree that it gives the impression that the animal as "something special" over another given animal (of the same species). You walk into one pet store that's got a striped-anerythristic labelled up as "corn snake", and another one down the road who's got a fairly identical snake labelled up as "designer corn snake" at twice the price...
Ok, so yeah, it is a marketing ploy. Just like "designer" clothing. but like Missmonkey said... all those idiots who are just bothered about a brand name, or things being "designer" are the type of people who'll fall for it, make the pet store an extra few $$. The pet store knows anybody who falls for the "designer" trick can be told, and talked into buying, anything.
Those are the kinds of people who buy iguanas because they "look cool" then leave 'em living their life out in a 20g tank, and wonder why it dies after a couple of years of being fed on crickets and monkey chow.
From a reputable breeder, "designer" can imply, as you said, that it has been selectively bred over several generations to achieve a desired appearance. Unfortunately, if a pet store thinks they can use a word like that somewhere, they'll do it, and abuse it.
As well as above, it devalues the "designer" label previously applied by you as a breeder Rich.
Just look at Leopard Geckos... very few serious breeders have them labelled up as "designers". They list the exact morph(s). Only people I've seen mark them up as "designers" any more is the tables at shows where the leos are simply being sold for somebody else and they know absolutely nothing about 'em, having 50 hatchlings together in a 10g with a sand substrate, and no dry or moist hide - ok, not essential for a 2 day show, but still stresses 'em out. I saw a LOT of half-tails and nipped toes in those kinds of tanks at Daytona over the weekend.
I just think to those who've seen it applied to animals before, as well as just personal opinion of the word, it really has the opposite of the intended effect and degrades an animal if not used very carefully (and by the right people).
It certainly does to me.
But, aimed toward the uneducated, I tend to agree that it gives the impression that the animal as "something special" over another given animal (of the same species). You walk into one pet store that's got a striped-anerythristic labelled up as "corn snake", and another one down the road who's got a fairly identical snake labelled up as "designer corn snake" at twice the price...
Ok, so yeah, it is a marketing ploy. Just like "designer" clothing. but like Missmonkey said... all those idiots who are just bothered about a brand name, or things being "designer" are the type of people who'll fall for it, make the pet store an extra few $$. The pet store knows anybody who falls for the "designer" trick can be told, and talked into buying, anything.
Those are the kinds of people who buy iguanas because they "look cool" then leave 'em living their life out in a 20g tank, and wonder why it dies after a couple of years of being fed on crickets and monkey chow.
From a reputable breeder, "designer" can imply, as you said, that it has been selectively bred over several generations to achieve a desired appearance. Unfortunately, if a pet store thinks they can use a word like that somewhere, they'll do it, and abuse it.
As well as above, it devalues the "designer" label previously applied by you as a breeder Rich.
Just look at Leopard Geckos... very few serious breeders have them labelled up as "designers". They list the exact morph(s). Only people I've seen mark them up as "designers" any more is the tables at shows where the leos are simply being sold for somebody else and they know absolutely nothing about 'em, having 50 hatchlings together in a 10g with a sand substrate, and no dry or moist hide - ok, not essential for a 2 day show, but still stresses 'em out. I saw a LOT of half-tails and nipped toes in those kinds of tanks at Daytona over the weekend.
I just think to those who've seen it applied to animals before, as well as just personal opinion of the word, it really has the opposite of the intended effect and degrades an animal if not used very carefully (and by the right people).
Neil
Senior Member
But if you were talking about clothes or something then 'designer' clothes would SEEM better to have. Designer clothes are something special, better than clothes from somewhere like BHS or a second-hand shop. When you apply this to animals it just doesn't seem right that some should be considered as better than the others when all are equal. It's fine when you're talking about clothes but shouldn't, in my opinion, be applied to animals.
I'll shut up now.
I'll shut up now.
Matt L
New member
Well , I must say this thread has alot to talk about. My mother has a colledge degree and was an english teacher and speech therapy teacher for years. To this day, she will correct my bad english. I am a high school graduate with a some colledge, but I don't think a piece of paper stating so makes me a better person. I think thats enough about education. Now on to Rich! I must say I agree with Rich's post on the "word" designer, however I have never seen him use it to describe any of his animals. I own quite a few SERPENCO snakes and I don't think I would hold the respect for Rich if I saw him using the name designer to descibe one of his snakes. Yes HE may be the designer, however I think I would rather see a new color morph he designed named after him than to call it designer. I personally think the word "designer " should be left for blue jeans!
Matt L.
Matt L.