Dont know how to kill?

[Joejr14]

In my oppinion It is more humane to just flick a mouse. I do it to pinks on up. It doesn't cork for big rats though. I just throw the huge ones against the wall in a pillow case.

Why in the hell would you flick a pinkie? What need is there for that?

 

[sumguy]

Why in the hell would you flick a pinkie? What need is there for that?

Who cares what size the prey is? As long as death is instant or painless, and 'humane' as possible. If its to be fed same day, seems like flicking a pinky would be faster and easier than putting it in the freezer.
Also have to agree with jazz. Why buy live then freeze - just buy frozen and save yourself the hassle and some money. As mentioned, the feeder forum has a lot less controversial threads regarding this same topic.
:crazy02:

 

[Joejr14]

I don't think I did any personal attack. If so, I am sincerely sorry. I reviewed my posts and found no attacks at all.

I honestly feel that the freezer is not as hard on my feeders as some here think. Remember though, I said I would check it next time after :10.

The stuff about killing Germans is obviously bull and written out of anger. However, comparing my freezing mice with the holocaust should get her banned!

I'm Gone for now but I'll be back,

Eric

Sir, you should be banned. You called one of our member's grandfather a murder---yet you dont see how that's a personal attack?

THEN, to top all of that off, you accuse her of lying and writing things out of anger. Trust me, when Tac gets angry, she's not shy about it. You'd be reading a string of cuss words before you'd be reading a 'made up story' about WW2 and her grandfather.

Wow, and you're how old, 57? *Rolls eyes*

Speaking of which, if my grandfather was a member of the Polish Armed Forces, was put into a work camp, and then killed a guard and escaped---does that also make him a murder?

Probably does, right?

Well guess what, buddy, you're a MOUSE MURDERER!!!! Also, you condone suffering, correct? I mean, you did say that. So let me ask, do you condone suffering on just mice? I'm just asking because you got quite offended when the word 'gas chamber' came up, and well, you dont seem a have a problem with things suffering so I was just wondering.

And just to let you know, since you dont seem to really be able to follow a thread and re-read what you wrote, I'll help you out. You say that Tac's 'comparing freezing mice to the holocaust should get her banned". Well, sir, please go back and show me where she said that, or even implied it.

Who was the one that had a tantrum about 'gassing mice'? I believe it was you. How can you be so uber-sensitive about the 'gassing of mice', yet, when someone says that their grandfather fought in WW2 against Nazi Germany, you call that person a murder?

Furthermore, YOU were the ONLY person in this thread to mumble the words 'gas chamber'. Nobody else has.




Good heavens, where are all of these people coming from?!?!?!?

 

[E. g. guttata]

As mentioned, the feeder forum has a lot less controversial threads regarding this same topic.
:crazy02:

I think the only "controversy" here right now is how personal daytona is taking the suggestion to gas mice. Other than that (and of course the replies to it) I think that everything is going just fine here. This thread is informitive and I don't find it controversial at all. If you want to kill mice, there are a few different methods to do so, all of which obviously work fairly well, or else they wouldn't be mentioned.

 

[cornsnakejunkie]

Whether daytona likes it or not c02 "GAS CHAMBER" is the most "HUMANE" way to "prepare" a mouse for animal consumption. When you buy F/T mice/rats they are put in this so called "gas chamber" and then frozen. Tac nailed it on the head with this one. And on a different note I personally don't give 2 piles of corn snake crap if daytona is offended, especially by the word "gas". Sorry to sound harsh but come on!!!! I am offended at the thought of putting an innocent "dumb" mouse in a dark freezer to go through TREMENDOUS pain and suffering prior to death but you don't see me, or anyone else for that matter, calling to have someone banned now do ya? Get over yourself. I am of Cherokee Indian descent but I haven't once been offended by the words "Trail Of Tears" It happened, just as the Holocaust happened. There is a difference in remembering the past and living in the past. Anyway, to the question at hand, as others have said don't buy live buy F/T......problem solved. If you already have some on the way, depending on how many, keep them as "pets", I would. They actually (contrary to what some, for lack of a more rude word, "uneducated" people have said) are VERY intellegent animals, that DO INFACT DESERVE OUR RESPECT.

Matt

 

[reptile_addict]

Why in the hell would you flick a pinkie? What need is there for that?

I just feel bad to throw it in the freezer. I see my sister holding the pinks and petting them. I just feel bad to just throw them in. I know theres no pain to them but I still perfer to flick them

 

[daytona]

I just feel bad to throw it in the freezer. I see my sister holding the pinks and petting them. I just feel bad to just throw them in. I know theres no pain to them but I still perfer to flick them

Me too. I really hate it. My wife has less of a problem with it that I do but it's not easy for her either.

I like the idea of not buying frozen. I don't mind paying extra for live ones as I know they are fresh.

Eric

 

[pcar]

Who was the one that had a tantrum about 'gassing mice'? I believe it was you. How can you be so uber-sensitive about the 'gassing of mice', yet, when someone says that their grandfather fought in WW2 against Nazi Germany, you call that person a murder?

I was actually the one that brought up gassing mice. and Daytona took offense to it.

 

[daytona]

Sir, you should be banned. You called one of our member's grandfather a murder---yet you dont see how that's a personal attack?


Speaking of which, if my grandfather was a member of the Polish Armed Forces, was put into a work camp, and then killed a guard and escaped---does that also make him a murder?

There are rules of war. Join the army, like my son and daughter and serve our wonderful nation, as I did, before you make further comments like that.

Look at what happened to the solders who had just a little fun with the prisoners in Iraq. One is facing the possibility of ten years in prison for just being in a few photos. What do you think would have happened is they shot them. They would be murderers facing the rest of their lives in prison.

Do you know what a white flag means? Shooting surrendering prisoners is murder. Shooting a guard while escaping is not. It's a POW's duty to escape.

Yes, I find the idea of gassing offensive. If you had relatives who died like that during the holocaust, you would to. Can't you understand?

She attacked me for my chosen method of killing feeders. She may be correct. I said I would check it out. Everyone seems to forget that. Tell me why?



Eric

 

[Alias47]

:-offtopic

Oh and by the way, If that is true, and I doubt it, your grandfather is a murderer. Did you think that was going to sit well here? :twoguns:

Can't accept a difference of opinion? What's your problem son?

You do your thing and I will do mine. If you don't like it, tough tittie. This is not the place for personal attacks. :flames:

Eric

The only personal attack I have seen here is this one.
Tac had a differing opinion...that YOU couldn't accept.
And the condescending tone ("What's your problem son?") has GOT to go...
You may be older than I am...and than Misty...that does not give you the right to speak down to ANYONE. I believe in respecting my elders...but respect is mutual...and most of us are adults here, at least everyone involved in this conversation. I apologize for being incensed, but your demeanor is inexcusable.

CO2 Gassing is THE most humane way known to date to euthanize mice. This is how all the BILLIONS of frozen mice sold every year are euthanized...being oversensitive to the method due to your ancestry is comparing apples to oranges. This is NOT genocide...it is food production. You even stated "these are just dumb mice" but are comparing them to the hideous atrocities that occured to your people and relatives at the hands of mad men in World War II...

Shouldn't even make a correlation to you...being that it means so much.

 

[daytona]

This is NOT genocide...it is food production. .

None of you get it. Even if it is irrational, it bothers me. uke01:

Next time, I'll just use a ball peen hammer before I freeze them.

You all win! :cheers:

It ends here. :wavey:

Eric

BTW.... it seems my reputation wasn't hurt as the score is even.

 

[pcar]

BTW.... it seems my reputation wasn't hurt as the score is even.

Due to problamatic abuse of the Rep system, Rich has only given the option to give positive rep points...he can be quoted to say "If you don't have something nice to say about what someone says, then don't say anything at all" But is it gets too out of hand, a PM to rich will end it.

Next time, I'll just use a ball peen hammer before I freeze them

Now you are go a little too far. if you are going to use a hammer, a tack hammer will be sufficent.

You all win!

It wasn't about us trying to win or loose. We were just pointing out that there are other ways to euthinize a mouse that is less painful than just throwing them in the freezer.

 

[CAV]

Dang it, I was almost able to stay out of this thread......but I just got pulled in.

There are rules of war. Join the army, like my son and daughter and serve our wonderful nation, as I did, before you make further comments like that.

My credentials sir:

I am a field grade officer and have served on active duty for more than a dozen years. Your understanding of the Law of Land Warfare isn't entirely accurate. Safeguarding prisoners is only required once they have been taken into custody, not while they are actively participating in combat operations and are not yet "detained". From the U.S. Army's FM 27-10:

Section III. GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

84. Duration of Protection

a. Treaty Provision.
The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation * * *. (GPW, art. 5; see par. 71 herein.)

b. Power of the Enemy Defined. A person is considered to have fallen into the power of the enemy when he has been captured by, or surrendered to members of the military forces, the civilian police, or local civilian defense organizations or enemy civilians who have taken him into custody.

Now keep in mind that this current law as defined by the Geneva Convention wasn't voted on and ratified until 12 August 1949 (after WWII). Taceas clearly stated the "after looking at all of the atrocities around him, his unit shot all surrendering Nazi soldiers on sight", not that they were "shooting prisoners". In keeping with the protocals of the day, shooting them wasn't necessarily illegal unless those Germans werre clearly in a POW status. There were many accounts of units continuing, and even accelerating, combat operations against German units after discovering the death camps. It is ludicrious for you to sit here 60 years later and accuse a random American soldier of murder without so much as a single fact.

Look at what happened to the solders who had just a little fun with the prisoners in Iraq. One is facing the possibility of ten years in prison for just being in a few photos. What do you think would have happened is they shot them. They would be murderers facing the rest of their lives in prison.

This isn't correct either. The soldier in question is facing 16 1/2 years for violating numerous articles of The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) in accordance with the Manual for Courts-Martial. Those charges include two counts of conspiracy to maltreat detainees, one count of dereliction of duty, four counts of cruelty and maltreatment and two counts of committing indecent acts. She has never once been charged "for just being in a few photos".

The intense scrutiny being applied to America’s detention of foreign nationals is a relatively new concept that has been made possible by excessive live media coverage that is globally observed. This has not always been the case historically, including WWII.

If you had relatives who died like that during the holocaust, you would to. Can't you understand?

How about the relatives of the more than 550,000 American service members that ultimately died to secure the liberation of those camps and your relatives?

 

[Alias47]

Dang it, I was almost able to stay out of this thread......but I just got pulled in.

I was beginning to wonder when you would show up...especially when World War II was brought up.

 

[Joejr14]

Lookie here.

03-18-2005, 12:17 PM
daytona
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Daytona Beach area
Age: 57
Posts: 19
Rep Power: 6daytona off the scale

You're kidding right?
You claim to be 21 but I bet you don't even drive yet you sawed off maggot.

 

[daytona]

And when he came upon the Nazi's surrendering in the droves as though they were innocent, and after looking at all of the atrocities around him, his unit shot all surrendering Nazi soldiers on sight.

And this is OK?

 

[CAV]

Technically, yes it could be. They must be "in the Power of the enemy" in order to be awarded the rights, and protected as, POWs under the provisions of the Geneva and Hague treaties.

Again, this body of international law did not exist until after WWII.

 

[cornsnakejunkie]

What Would You Do?!

And this is OK?

If you were a soldier and You witnessed all of this going on around you, what would you do if you had the life of the murderers of YOUR people in your hands? Was it right......probably not, but you would probably do the same thing in that situation. I may get flamed for this but who cares. I thought what happened in the prison in Iraq was quite funny. I couldn't even tell you what I would do to the man who I just saw blow my buddy away, if I had my hands on him.....getting naked would be the least of his worries. Daytona, you have gotten this topic way off base. Its about mice not your pity-pot. Like I said, I am of Cherokee Indian descent but you dont hear me bitching. So you can't say that (I) don't understand, so drop that excuse...your're just being melodramatic. Get over it! Stop dwelling on the past! :sidestep:

Matt :-offtopic :-offtopic :-offtopic :-offtopic

 

[luvofthechase]

nevermid the fact that the winning side doesnt often prosecute their own for "war crimes"

 

[NadaNaga]

Ummm... yes. I'm new here, so I'll do myself a favour and won't say some of the things that are currently going through my head. On the mice topic, so its of equal nutritional value to feed prefrozen mice? 'Cause I don't think I have the stomach to do any of the things that have been suggested in regards to killing them myself. I've kept pet rats before, so I look at rodents as more then just snake food.