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rickmoss95
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You're about on the money. Snows are still very pricey, I've seen some as high as 7k!
I'm actually hoping (fingers crossed) to add a Superconda and albino anaconda to my collection. First hogs for me and I know I'm going over the top! Can't wait till they get here
check out xtremehogs.com!!! justin has some awesome stuff, both of what you are looking for. he also has the real extreme red and extreme red albinos, when you see them, no other albino will do it for ya, at least that is how it is for me. ive seen soooo many people claim to have "exteme red albinos" and i have to just shake my head, night and day! he is a good dude, and will be totally honest and answer all your questions. good luck and send me some pics when you get them! [email protected]
DeadMouse
Hungry, hungry Hognose!
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While this is not the place to either promote or attack any specific individuals, since you brought up Justin in this thread, I feel compelled to point out that while a few people do like Justin, he also has a highly questionable and negative reputation amongst the majority of hognose breeders as well as a recent BOI thread about his shady practices as a seller (Link). He also shows great disrespect towards Rich (owner of this site and Fauna) while he continues to use Fauna (and other sites) for his own personal agenda towards the defamation of other hognose breeders and shameless self promotion. His practices over the last several years has been in pre-selling animals that he hasn't even hatched out and recently pre-selling animals at market crashing prices which hurts the majority of breeders and eventually floods the market with hognose snakes making them a disposable pet much like what has happened over the years with Corns and Balls. I started a thread on my thoughts about "Disposable pricing" here (I hope the link isn't removed due to it being on an offending web site as I feel that the discussion is very important to a lot of people) which is closely linked to market crashing.
One thing you have to consider about the Extreme Red Albinos is that they are a line trait, meaning, the red is a totally separate polygenic trait and is not part of the Albino gene. If you breed an Extreme Red Albino to a normal Albino, there is no guarantee whatsoever that you will produce any Extreme Red's in your F1 or even F2 clutches. Extreme Reds are a line bred trait meaning that they were produced from selective inbreeding over several generations in order to carry the red coloration over along with the albino gene. This is the reason why so many people try to sell Extreme Red's that don't look as good as Justin's and generally why you don't see too many people even producing or selling them. More than likely, the people that typically sell "Extreme Red Albinos" that hardly look like as good as Justin's bought some of their breeding stock from him but haven't been able to recreate the line bred trait because of the complexity of polygenic traits but they use the name anyways to signify that their line of hognose came from him. But just to make it fair, there are other breeders that do actually produce beautiful red albinos other than Justin, Brad Chambers being one that comes immediately to mind.
While I never like to bash anybody, let alone a fellow hognose breeder, Justin has a very well known reputation in the hognose community and it's not a positive one. PM me and I will be more than happy to give you links to other sites that not only prove this but I will also redirect you to several reputable people in the hognose community that have more issues with him than I can shake a stick at.
Again, I apologize for this reply which has taken this thread way off topic but I feel that it's only appropriate that both sides should be heard since it was brought up.
While this is not the place to either promote or attack any specific individuals, since you brought up Justin in this thread, I feel compelled to point out that while a few people do like Justin, he also has a highly questionable and negative reputation amongst the majority of hognose breeders as well as a recent BOI thread about his shady practices as a seller (Link). He also shows great disrespect towards Rich (owner of this site and Fauna) while he continues to use Fauna (and other sites) for his own personal agenda towards the defamation of other hognose breeders and shameless self promotion. His practices over the last several years has been in pre-selling animals that he hasn't even hatched out and recently pre-selling animals at market crashing prices which hurts the majority of breeders and eventually floods the market with hognose snakes making them a disposable pet much like what has happened over the years with Corns and Balls. I started a thread on my thoughts about "Disposable pricing" here (I hope the link isn't removed due to it being on an offending web site as I feel that the discussion is very important to a lot of people) which is closely linked to market crashing.
One thing you have to consider about the Extreme Red Albinos is that they are a line trait, meaning, the red is a totally separate polygenic trait and is not part of the Albino gene. If you breed an Extreme Red Albino to a normal Albino, there is no guarantee whatsoever that you will produce any Extreme Red's in your F1 or even F2 clutches. Extreme Reds are a line bred trait meaning that they were produced from selective inbreeding over several generations in order to carry the red coloration over along with the albino gene. This is the reason why so many people try to sell Extreme Red's that don't look as good as Justin's and generally why you don't see too many people even producing or selling them. More than likely, the people that typically sell "Extreme Red Albinos" that hardly look like as good as Justin's bought some of their breeding stock from him but haven't been able to recreate the line bred trait because of the complexity of polygenic traits but they use the name anyways to signify that their line of hognose came from him. But just to make it fair, there are other breeders that do actually produce beautiful red albinos other than Justin, Brad Chambers being one that comes immediately to mind.
While I never like to bash anybody, let alone a fellow hognose breeder, Justin has a very well known reputation in the hognose community and it's not a positive one. PM me and I will be more than happy to give you links to other sites that not only prove this but I will also redirect you to several reputable people in the hognose community that have more issues with him than I can shake a stick at.
Again, I apologize for this reply which has taken this thread way off topic but I feel that it's only appropriate that both sides should be heard since it was brought up.
rickmoss95
New member
i was not aware of any of this, i dealt with him years ago...if he is a dirtbag, he is a dirtbag. i had a painless transaction with him, that was it, i bought, he shipped, i was happy with the animal...however if he is doing all of this then he just needs a good ol american asswhoopin! im pretty good at givin em too! just sayin' sorry i gave him props now...
DeadMouse
Hungry, hungry Hognose!
Sorry Susan.
It's all good Rick. I've no doubt Justin has treated many people good over the years, it's unfortunate that this turn of events has happened over the last few years but unfortunately, as a few of us have witnessed, some good people eventually turn bad for whatever reasons, the BOI is sad proof of that fact.
Whatever did happen to your Extreme Red Albino, do you still have it? I'd love to see pictures, they are truly magnificent looking animals.