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Extreme Okeetee vs. Abbott Okeetee
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Tavia
Elemental Exotics
The Abbott's Okeetee is an animal with a linage from the line maintained for 30 plus years by Lee Abbott. I think there are several lines out there with Extreme in the name, but I'm guessing you mean Don Suderberg's? I believe a lot of Don's original stock was line bred by Abbott but some were from other sources and if I remember right, he decided awhile ago that he had worked with his line long enough that they deserved a name separate from Abbott's.
All of the different lines tend to look slightly different from each other, some more than others. I don't notice a great deal of difference between the Abbott's and Don's though. All of these lines are line bred normals, not morphs. They are made by breeding several generations of snakes, refining the look the breeder wants, trying to "fix" a certain look in them, not like the simple recessive genes of the morphs.
All of the different lines tend to look slightly different from each other, some more than others. I don't notice a great deal of difference between the Abbott's and Don's though. All of these lines are line bred normals, not morphs. They are made by breeding several generations of snakes, refining the look the breeder wants, trying to "fix" a certain look in them, not like the simple recessive genes of the morphs.
Nanci
Alien Lover
Madras is an Abbott's Okeetee, straight from Lee Abbott. She has an aberrant pattern. This didn't really pass on to her offspring.
She's pictured here with Gartersnake, the SMR Okeetee Tessera. SMR= South Mountain Reptiles + Don Soderberg. Don was one of three people who developed the Tessera morph from the original animals. Tessera was discovered in an Okeetee breeding project.
She's pictured here with Gartersnake, the SMR Okeetee Tessera. SMR= South Mountain Reptiles + Don Soderberg. Don was one of three people who developed the Tessera morph from the original animals. Tessera was discovered in an Okeetee breeding project.
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Nanci
Alien Lover
So- the Strange Cargo (Graham Criglow) Extreme Okeetees are bred for THICK black borders, with the end goal being completely black saddles. "Buckskin" Okeetee females are used to give the snakes more contrast. Abbott's Okeetees are also bred for thick black borders, but they are generally a more dark orange/red combination.
Maybe someone can post photos of a Love Okeetee!
Maybe someone can post photos of a Love Okeetee!
SODERBERGD
Active member
Why Extreme and Abbott's are not the same . . .
That's not the reason I stopped calling mine Abbott's. Here's the 411:
After purchasing three pairs of hatchlings from Lee, I was amazed how some of them were better than any I'd seen before. I wrote to him one day saying that I was going to feature the babies I got from him as Abbott's Okeetees. I was surprised when he wrote back to say that I probably should not since he used one of Kathy Love's Okeetees and a wild-caught Okeetee to start his line. I told him that since his were proportionately better than any I'd seen before they deserved the status of his name.
Well, when I finally bred the babies I got from him, in one of the broods, I got Blizzards, Charcoals, and Amels. I wasn't upset about it, but some of the babies in that brood were not of the quality I'd first seen in snakes from Lee. That was when I decided to call them Extreme Okeetees, thinking that since Lee had other morphs mixed in his line, he may not have wanted his name associated with them. I also didn't want customers to think I had mixed Blizzard into the SMR line, so I continued to breed the best of my line together until I got what I thought were good enough to call Extreme. Co-incidentally, it was some wild corns I got from Chip Bridges that tipped the scales for me. From two of his females (one was wild-caught and one was an F1 of wild stock) - for about every 20 they produced, one was phenomenal. I bred those cherry-picked beauties into the best one I'd been producing for over 30 years and VOILA;Extreme Okeetees.
Since then, I have watched Lee's stock at the Daytona Expo. Just like mine, Kathy's, and everyone else's, some are amazing and some are ordinary. That (and because of the amazing wild-caught stock from Chip) demonstrate that anyone is capable of producing incredible Okeetees. Lee admitted as much when he said he started his line with Love and Wild Okeetee.
Now, you know the REST of the story.
That's not the reason I stopped calling mine Abbott's. Here's the 411:
After purchasing three pairs of hatchlings from Lee, I was amazed how some of them were better than any I'd seen before. I wrote to him one day saying that I was going to feature the babies I got from him as Abbott's Okeetees. I was surprised when he wrote back to say that I probably should not since he used one of Kathy Love's Okeetees and a wild-caught Okeetee to start his line. I told him that since his were proportionately better than any I'd seen before they deserved the status of his name.
Well, when I finally bred the babies I got from him, in one of the broods, I got Blizzards, Charcoals, and Amels. I wasn't upset about it, but some of the babies in that brood were not of the quality I'd first seen in snakes from Lee. That was when I decided to call them Extreme Okeetees, thinking that since Lee had other morphs mixed in his line, he may not have wanted his name associated with them. I also didn't want customers to think I had mixed Blizzard into the SMR line, so I continued to breed the best of my line together until I got what I thought were good enough to call Extreme. Co-incidentally, it was some wild corns I got from Chip Bridges that tipped the scales for me. From two of his females (one was wild-caught and one was an F1 of wild stock) - for about every 20 they produced, one was phenomenal. I bred those cherry-picked beauties into the best one I'd been producing for over 30 years and VOILA;Extreme Okeetees.
Since then, I have watched Lee's stock at the Daytona Expo. Just like mine, Kathy's, and everyone else's, some are amazing and some are ordinary. That (and because of the amazing wild-caught stock from Chip) demonstrate that anyone is capable of producing incredible Okeetees. Lee admitted as much when he said he started his line with Love and Wild Okeetee.
Now, you know the REST of the story.