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Female snow with a screamin motley pattern..
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Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Chris,
From what I understand Motley, Stripe, and Bloodred do NOT have checkering on their bellies. They can, and will, develop color or peppering. Checkering of course would consist of significant black/gray/colored squares like a checker board. Coloring of the belly will consist of a colored wash (usually orange, yellow or red in my limited experience) that slowly seeps into the belly area as the snake ages. It usually comes from the tail upwards, and sides 'downwards', from what I have seen. Peppering means exactly what it's named after, as I'm sure you're aware, just shake some pepper down on the counter and that's what the coloring will develop into over time. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that as hatchlings, the belly is typically pristine white and the peppering and/or coloration develops over time. Checkering is there from the beginning.
Now, if you want to talk about hets, that's where you'll find some partial checkering some of the time with some hets . . . and non-hets as well! Usually a 'clear' stripe down the center of the checkers. Seen most often with bloodred hets.
As to the original posters snake, dorsally it looks as if it could be a motley. I've seen less motley-ed motleys pictured before! Ventrally, checkers can be difficult to see in snows and blizzards. :shrugs:
Hope that helps . . .? I'll see if I have some decent belly pics on my computer . . .
D80
From what I understand Motley, Stripe, and Bloodred do NOT have checkering on their bellies. They can, and will, develop color or peppering. Checkering of course would consist of significant black/gray/colored squares like a checker board. Coloring of the belly will consist of a colored wash (usually orange, yellow or red in my limited experience) that slowly seeps into the belly area as the snake ages. It usually comes from the tail upwards, and sides 'downwards', from what I have seen. Peppering means exactly what it's named after, as I'm sure you're aware, just shake some pepper down on the counter and that's what the coloring will develop into over time. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that as hatchlings, the belly is typically pristine white and the peppering and/or coloration develops over time. Checkering is there from the beginning.
Now, if you want to talk about hets, that's where you'll find some partial checkering some of the time with some hets . . . and non-hets as well! Usually a 'clear' stripe down the center of the checkers. Seen most often with bloodred hets.
As to the original posters snake, dorsally it looks as if it could be a motley. I've seen less motley-ed motleys pictured before! Ventrally, checkers can be difficult to see in snows and blizzards. :shrugs:
Hope that helps . . .? I'll see if I have some decent belly pics on my computer . . .
D80
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
It appears as though I've mis-interpreted the informaiton that I've read. I certainly appreciate you and Vinman clearing it up for me. The two of you have WAY more experience than I do...
Of course, I certainly understand the "peppering" effect. Both of my motley adults show a distinct peppering over the rear 2/3 of the belly. The female much more than the male...
Of course, I certainly understand the "peppering" effect. Both of my motley adults show a distinct peppering over the rear 2/3 of the belly. The female much more than the male...
sprdonkey
..with hatchlings blessed
I had no idea..
This discussion does raise some very interesting questions about genetic variations. For example, what if her belly had been free of blemish? The most experienced breeder in the world, looking at her dorsal pic, and stating emphatically that she was not a motley might still be right or wrong, I have noticed an occasional tendancy for normals and even okeetee phase patterns to stretch out and connect, doesn't mean they are het for stripe, just mutated...sorry for the run on sentence...It goes without saying that everybody has different standards, we manipulate the blood and hope for the best. Not an exact science but it is fun. Just like waiting for the easter bunny. With Lillith here, I wont know until she comes of age, if she's het perhaps for motley and I breed her to another het for motley and I get motleys....woohoooo, Id love to be able to keep the symmetry and proportion of her pattern. That was the original purpose of this post, to find out how I might manage that feat. Thanks everybody for your input. Feel free to continue the debate, I rather enjoyed reading it.
This discussion does raise some very interesting questions about genetic variations. For example, what if her belly had been free of blemish? The most experienced breeder in the world, looking at her dorsal pic, and stating emphatically that she was not a motley might still be right or wrong, I have noticed an occasional tendancy for normals and even okeetee phase patterns to stretch out and connect, doesn't mean they are het for stripe, just mutated...sorry for the run on sentence...It goes without saying that everybody has different standards, we manipulate the blood and hope for the best. Not an exact science but it is fun. Just like waiting for the easter bunny. With Lillith here, I wont know until she comes of age, if she's het perhaps for motley and I breed her to another het for motley and I get motleys....woohoooo, Id love to be able to keep the symmetry and proportion of her pattern. That was the original purpose of this post, to find out how I might manage that feat. Thanks everybody for your input. Feel free to continue the debate, I rather enjoyed reading it.