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First feed question

kurt1288

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So I took my new snake (baby) out of it's viv today (got it last Wednesday) and tried giving him a pinky. He seemed more intent on moving around the feeding container and trying to find a way out. I've put him back in his viv now, but what should I do about the feeding? Should I just leave him be now for a few days? Should I put the pinky in a container into his viv? I don't really want to pick him up again and put him in a separate container again since I'm sure picking him up for the first time stressed him out enough.

On a side note, I kept waiting for him to "bite" me when I was trying to get him onto my hand, but he never did. Guess it's more of a flight than fight for him.
 
Apparently I can't edit my post. The first bolded question I meant "Should I just leave him be now for a few days and try feeding him again later", if that wasn't clear.
 
I'd leave him for 3 or 4 days before trying again. One of the tips for new arrivals and reluctant feeder, is to offer the food just before you go to bed and leave them together all night. Sometimes they're nervous to eat with people around and they need absolute quiet and dark.
 
I copied this from Sean Niland's VMS Herps website: (Key point is stop handling/stressing your baby until he has eaten)

Acclimating Your New Pet
General Acclimation
You've just received your shipment, opened the box and there's your new friend staring up at you from the inside of a deli cup. Now what?

Glad you asked, because what happened to your pet during transit was pretty frightening. What happens next can be even more traumatic, depending on how you acclimate your new pet. Please take a few moments to read the following paragraphs, hopefully before you receive your shipment, so that you know what to do to minimize further stress on your new reptile.

There's a few simple rules to follow which can really ease the transition from their old home here at VMS (the only home they ever knew) to the new home somewhere else in the United States.

First, resist the temptation to tear into the box and dig out your new pet. I know this is hard, but please take just a moment to collect one critical piece of information - the temperature inside the box upon arrival. Just quietly crack the lid and slip a thermometer inside. This information can be very helpful if you should need to contact us later regarding difficulties in getting your pet to settle in.

Second, resist the urge to handle your new pet for a few days. VMS is a commercial breeding facility, housing many hundreds of baby reptiles at any given time. As a result, they rarely get handled other than for routine maintenance and cage cleaning. Your new pet may view being handled as yet another stressful event following the trauma of being packaged up and shipped across the US, ending up in some strange new place. Give them time to settle in and start feeding before attempting to handle them. When you do decide handle them, do it inside the cage if possible or at least on the floor. Odds are high they will be nervous and easily startled - jumping out of your hand for a five foot plunge to the floor can be fatal! Handle only for a few minutes at first, increasing the time spent handling each day until your new pet no longer minds at all.

Third, resist the urge to unceremoniously dump your new pet into his new spacious cage. This can be another real shocker to them. Instead, set the deli cup inside the cage and gently pry off the lid. Turn out the lights on the cage (or even the room if very bright) and quietly withdraw, allowing the reptile to venture out and explore the new surroundings at will. This increases the chances of successfully locating the hide area and water dish, etc. without panicking.

Special Notes About Feeding
Please, don't even think about feeding your new pet immediately. Sadly, this is the first thing most newcomers to reptile keeping try to do. Odds are very high that your new lizard or snakes will be too frightened to feed. Attempting to feed under these conditions can have several negative consequences. Here's a list of points to consider:

Uneaten live rodents and crickets may actually turn to your new pet as a food source, gnawing on exposed areas of your new pet! Too frightened to come out of hiding, your new reptile may receive some serious damage.

Most of the reptiles we sell are nocturnal and feed best in low light conditions. It's best to offer food in the evening or early morning hours, before bright lights and a lot of household activity disturb your pet.

Feed very sparingly the first few weeks after arrival. Feed snakes smaller meals than normal and give lizards fewer crickets than normal. The stresses of shipping can often upset their digestive systems, and large meals may be regurgitated, causing additional problems.

Also, avoid handling your new reptile before attempting to feed. It's more important that it resume a regular feeding schedule than anything else. Many keepers have the idea that snakes should always be moved to a separate container for feeding. While that may be fine for a very well-established feeder, a recently transported and scared individual is best left alone before attempting to feed.

Snakes frequently seem to associate the presence of the food item with the recent trauma of shipping, and will remember it! This is likely the reason for a juvenile snake refusing to feed after shipping. It simply associates the food item with the traumatic event. We recommend waiting about a week before attempting to feed snakes.

Lizards seem to get over it all a little quicker than snakes, especially very young geckos. Waiting two days is usually sufficient. Even then, feed sparingly! A couple crickets is plenty to tempt your new pet, and you can always add a few more if you see them get eaten. But two dozen crickets running about can be a bit frightening to an already nervous little lizard! Remember, less is better.

Larger geckos may require longer periods to adjust, with some adults refusing to feed well for several weeks! Some keepers report success tempting stubborn large specimens with wax worms, which seem to have an irresistible wiggle when they crawl. But most will simply resume feeding one day as if nothing had ever happened.

A Final Thought:
It is of prime importance that your new pet be allowed to settle in and acclimate fully. Constant stress during the acclimation period should be avoided. With proper care and conditions, you should have your new pet for years to come. There will be lots of time to mess with them later - for now, give them a rest!
 
Thanks for all that info Nancy. I did pretty much follow all of it; waiting 5 days before first feed, although I did pick him up and move him to a different container so I'm not too surprised he didn't want to eat. I took bitsy's advice and waited another 4 days before feeding attempt #2 which that time all I did was just put the pinking in a small dish into the viv and left it overnight. He didn't eat that either. So now I'll wait till this coming weekend for attempt #3 and this time I wont disturbed the little guy at all until then.
 
Has he been active? I mean, he's not hiding away and getting ready to shed, is he? IMO, your chances of success at feeding are greatly increased if you feed in a SMALL container, in the evening, covered, with a HOT 102F pink, which has a few slits cut in its back.
 
Ya, he's active. He'll come out in the late evening and then just cruise around, and still be out-and-about when I go to bed. His eyes don't look cloudy either.

I basically plan on doing this weekend what you suggested: put him in a small container overnight, warm pinky w/ slits.
 
Hot, not warm. And it's okay to check him in an hour. He should have eaten by then. If not, reheat and leave overnight.
 
I assume just putting the pinky in a bowl of hot water to get it up to that temperature (I obviously wouldn't stick it in the microwave)?
 
I assume just putting the pinky in a bowl of hot water to get it up to that temperature (I obviously wouldn't stick it in the microwave)?
Or a blast from a hairdryer for a few minutes, except watch out for flying pinky if it's on too powerful a setting..........
 
Tease feeding is another option, this is done in tank, and how most of my snakes take food. There are a couple I just have to leave the mouse for but for the most part I take a pair of large reptile feeding tweezers and dangle the mouse by the tail close to the snake. Not right in their face but just close to them and BAM snake grabs the mouse. All but one of my 2011 hatchlings left eat this way. The other I just drop it and he is eating it within seconds.

Sometimes you have to get a little more creative with it and make it seem like the mouse is "alive" to induce a feeding response, this method is how I switched both my ball python and my boyfriends from live to frozen thawed.

The two main things to remember are 1 always make sure the mouse is HOT, 2 always make sure the mouse is DRY. I know it sounds odd that it has to be dry but really some snakes are just that picky, some of mine will take them wet and actually prefer it that way, others wont touch them unless they are dry.
 
I was actually going to try dangling the mouse for him, as he was out exploring. But once I started sliding the vid lid off, he buried under the substrate, so I had to just leave the pinky.
 
Snakes are a prime example of out of sight, out of mind. Once your baby takes off and hides, he's forgotten you've left a pink. That's the whole point of a feeding container (when starting a snake)- he's stuck with the prey. He can't go off and forget about it.
 
Well good to know. I would've though that in all his exploring overnight he would have found it, but what do I know. I'm definitely not who would argue with you. So, to the feeding container! (next weekend)
 
Ultimately you just have to run though the options and find the one which works best firstly for your snake, then for you. Not all of them will eat in feeding containers but most will. Not everyone has the time or space to use feeding containers (major breeders with dozens tend to feed in tank).

Personally I like the flexibility of feeding containers. I can have a good rummage through the tank and spot clean while the snakes chow down undisturbed.

If the snake eats reliably then whichever technique you choose is the right one!
 
If the snake eats reliably then whichever technique you choose is the right one!

Well put! You just need to fiddle around with it and figure out what works :p

Personally I find feeding tubs time consuming, I have 18 snakes to feed right now that all get fed the same day. Even when I just had a couple way back when I just found it bothersome lol. My snakes all eat well this way so why ruin a good think right!?

I had a few stubborn feeders in last years clutch I tried tub feeding but never ONCE had success with it and where that failed tuna water and rat scent prevailed. But then there are other breeders that have success with tub feeding right off the bat.

Snakes are a prime example of out of sight, out of mind.

In some cases this does happen, however if you watch the snakes often you will notice there are more active in certain areas of the tank. I have had lots of success just putting a pink in a high traffic area where the snake is sure to come across it. most of the time this is in a corner or along the wall.

once I started sliding the vid lid off, he buried under the substrate

Be very quite for a few mins and then start moving the forceps around lightly on the top layer of the substrate, this should peak interest in the snake and is should start to pop its head out. Once you notice movement that looks like the snake might be getting to this point slowly and quietly pinch the hot pinks tail in the forceps and brush it against the substrate. This is how I got my sand boa to start eating :p

Keep us posted! It is always interesting to me to see what works for different people :)
 
Well he ate tonight. Just had to do what everyone suggested; heated the pinky up to "hot", slit the back, put him in a separate container and covered it for an hour. Pretty sure he ate it though in like 2 minutes.

Also nearly gave me a heart attack. Moving him to the separate container, which was right beside his viv, he decided to dart from my hand and fell on the floor. Thankfully he didn't bolt again and just curled up. First thing that went through my head was "Oh god he could get away!".
 
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