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First impressions

nicklandovich

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Since Tuesday I have been the happy and proud owner of 3 hatchling corn snakes. Being a good and diligent owner I'm trying to keep handling and stress to a minimum so haven't taken a lot of pics yet (this is also because the LCD on my digital camera is awful for how good of pictures it takes).

All 3 of the snakes have their own distinct personality. Khaleesi is very shy. She burrows or wedges herself into any place she fits in her tank. Cardinale is shy initially but warms right up. He has a cautious curiousness to him and while holding him he stretched out from my hand out as far as he could to lock eyes with me. Arinna is my little star. She just wants to have attention and to see what is going on.

I also learned that when using heat cable, spread out your cable loops. Even with a rheostat my temps were varying nearly 20 degrees. Even out the spacing and distributed the cable better and now we seem good.

With how Arinna has been responding to the new home she hasn't been fed in over a week now so was going to go ahead and give her a pinkie tomorrow. Also I was strongly advised to feed live mice vs frozen just due to being easier and that frozen are harder to find. Anyone have thoughts on this?
 
Don't know who said to feed live over frozen/thawed because it's easier, but it's not necessarily any easier per say. Also, almost any pet store that deal with snakes/reptiles (even the big chains like PetCo and PetSmart) will carry frozen mice of each main stage. The major chains and brands aren't as size selective as finding a specific breeder/distributor online, but I currently get all my frozens from PetCo. You can probably find people in this community to order from, or any other reputable online source.

I know many corn owners and snake owners in general will usually advise against live though. While pinkies and fuzzies aren't a problem, larger adult mice and rats can put up a fight and actually injure a snake if it's not hungry enough to immediately strike at the food.

If your corn(s) doesn't take to frozen/thawed easily, there are many things you can do to stimulate it... Make sure you warm the mouse up after thawing, easiest way would be a quick dip in some hot water. Snakes sense temperature, and warm blooded animals are usually pretty warm. You can jiggle the mouse a little (not a lot, and not advised with youngins cause it could stress them out more than help) to simulate live movement. I've found a small cut on the back of the mouse and or a light "braining" (poking the head once or twice with a needle/toothpick/etc to let out of the head fluid) to be very helpful getting my little one to eat at first.
 
Ooooh, a few other feeding tips (not sure how much of this you already know or not). Make sure you use a SMALL feeding container if you aren't feeding in the viv. Like, CRAMPED small. Snakes have some serious security issues, and won't behave like they should if they don't feel comfortable/secure. If your snake seems too pre-occupied trying to escape than to eat, I'd personally recommend lightly covering the container as much as possible/completely and leaving it alone for a little bit to a while. This helps because it removes external distractions, and the snake will feel more secure, result in less desire to escape to safety and more desire to munch that tasty smelling object beside him/her.

PS Don't forget the container needs air holes, lol. Thats why I said cover as much as possible/completely. If a complete cover is going to tightly cover all the air holes, obviously you wouldn't want to do that!
 
You need to get your temperatures stable before you feed. And there is no reason to feed a hatchling live. And here's some info about the settling in process from VMS Herp:

Acclimating Your New Pet
General Acclimation


You've just received your shipment, opened the box and there's your new friend staring up at you from the inside of a deli cup. Now what?

Glad you asked, because what happened to your pet during transit was pretty frightening. What happens next can be even more traumatic, depending on how you acclimate your new pet. Please take a few moments to read the following paragraphs, hopefully before you receive your shipment, so that you know what to do to minimize further stress on your new reptile.

There's a few simple rules to follow which can really ease the transition from their old home here at VMS (the only home they ever knew) to the new home somewhere else in the United States.

First, resist the temptation to tear into the box and dig out your new pet. I know this is hard, but please take just a moment to collect one critical piece of information - the temperature inside the box upon arrival. Just quietly crack the lid and slip a thermometer inside. This information can be very helpful if you should need to contact us later regarding difficulties in getting your pet to settle in.

Second, resist the urge to handle your new pet for a few days. VMS is a commercial breeding facility, housing many hundreds of baby reptiles at any given time. As a result, they rarely get handled other than for routine maintenance and cage cleaning. Your new pet may view being handled as yet another stressful event following the trauma of being packaged up and shipped across the US, ending up in some strange new place. Give them time to settle in and start feeding before attempting to handle them. When you do decide handle them, do it inside the cage if possible or at least on the floor. Odds are high they will be nervous and easily startled - jumping out of your hand for a five foot plunge to the floor can be fatal! Handle only for a few minutes at first, increasing the time spent handling each day until your new pet no longer minds at all.

Third, resist the urge to unceremoniously dump your new pet into his new spacious cage. This can be another real shocker to them. Instead, set the deli cup inside the cage and gently pry off the lid. Turn out the lights on the cage (or even the room if very bright) and quietly withdraw, allowing the reptile to venture out and explore the new surroundings at will. This increases the chances of successfully locating the hide area and water dish, etc. without panicking.

Special Notes About Feeding

Please, don't even think about feeding your new pet immediately. Sadly, this is the first thing most newcomers to reptile keeping try to do. Odds are very high that your new lizard or snakes will be too frightened to feed. Attempting to feed under these conditions can have several negative consequences. Here's a list of points to consider:

Uneaten live rodents and crickets may actually turn to your new pet as a food source, gnawing on exposed areas of your new pet! Too frightened to come out of hiding, your new reptile may receive some serious damage.

Most of the reptiles we sell are nocturnal and feed best in low light conditions. It's best to offer food in the evening or early morning hours, before bright lights and a lot of household activity disturb your pet.

Feed very sparingly the first few weeks after arrival. Feed snakes smaller meals than normal and give lizards fewer crickets than normal. The stresses of shipping can often upset their digestive systems, and large meals may be regurgitated, causing additional problems.

Also, avoid handling your new reptile before attempting to feed. It's more important that it resume a regular feeding schedule than anything else. Many keepers have the idea that snakes should always be moved to a separate container for feeding. While that may be fine for a very well-established feeder, a recently transported and scared individual is best left alone before attempting to feed.

Snakes frequently seem to associate the presence of the food item with the recent trauma of shipping, and will remember it! This is likely the reason for a juvenile snake refusing to feed after shipping. It simply associates the food item with the traumatic event. We recommend waiting about a week before attempting to feed snakes.

Lizards seem to get over it all a little quicker than snakes, especially very young geckos. Waiting two days is usually sufficient. Even then, feed sparingly! A couple crickets is plenty to tempt your new pet, and you can always add a few more if you see them get eaten. But two dozen crickets running about can be a bit frightening to an already nervous little lizard! Remember, less is better.

Larger geckos may require longer periods to adjust, with some adults refusing to feed well for several weeks! Some keepers report success tempting stubborn large specimens with wax worms, which seem to have an irresistible wiggle when they crawl. But most will simply resume feeding one day as if nothing had ever happened.

A Final Thought:

It is of prime importance that your new pet be allowed to settle in and acclimate fully. Constant stress during the acclimation period should be avoided. With proper care and conditions, you should have your new pet for years to come. There will be lots of time to mess with them later - for now, give them a rest!
 
Temps are good now. Just needed to space my cabling out more. As far as the frozen vs live I may have just got some bad info. The person who told me that was the manager of one of Denver's reptile stores. He actually told me that Petco and Petsmart didn't have frozen feeders... Think that is a sign to take my business elsewhere. Some of the employees there think they are rock stars anyways for working in a pet store lol.
 
Thanks for the info guys. And as far as the feeding container the one I got should be perfect because I thought it was to small when I bought it.
 
Temps are good now. Just needed to space my cabling out more. As far as the frozen vs live I may have just got some bad info. The person who told me that was the manager of one of Denver's reptile stores. He actually told me that Petco and Petsmart didn't have frozen feeders... Think that is a sign to take my business elsewhere. Some of the employees there think they are rock stars anyways for working in a pet store lol.

Hey Nick, so glad you here! I think the info you got regarding the feeders was bad as well. Back in the olden days (like the 70s and 80s) live food for snakes was pretty much all there was.
Because I am a soft hearted whackadoo when it comes to animals and can't kill anything with fur, I wouldn't have been able to have snakes back then.
But, not only that....the lack of parasites, fear of yourself or your snake being bitten or scratched, not having to get in the car after school or work in the cold and pouring rain to drive to a petshop for a live mouse on feeding night, and the ridiculous ease of thawing just as little or as many as you want makes a huge argument in favor of thawed food.
 
I think what I ran into is a bit of classic misdirection my a store manager to try and drum up some steady business from me. It seemed odd as I said, because of all the info regarding frozen feeders. That business has lost me as a customer. They have to many king snakes anyway...
 
I think what I ran into is a bit of classic misdirection my a store manager to try and drum up some steady business from me. It seemed odd as I said, because of all the info regarding frozen feeders. That business has lost me as a customer. They have to many king snakes anyway...

Yeah, sounds like that to me as well.
 
If it were me, I would order online. But then I also have alot of snakes to feed. Why not do a price comparison?
 
Big chains are expensive. I'd order on-line. I'd order regular, not small pinks. Usually you get a range of sizes.
 
Am I missing a joke or something? Lol what's wrong with king snakes?

Nothing wrong with kingsnakes when that is what you want. I was buying corn snakes though and said stores main focus was selling me a unwanted (by me) snake. Now a grey banded is a different story... looking forone of those
 
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