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Gunshots outside of my window...I'm so tired of gangs...
- Thread starter Cegninedorf
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tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Pick them up and put them in a Burmese Python cage. :grin01: Or just attack them with a Corn. lol LOL seeing a screaming woman late at night with a Face Mask on, curlers in her hair screaming obscenities holding a snake in each hand.. I would get the hell out of that house. lolNanci said:
Shade,
Guns are not the answer to your problems. Seriously, they can be taken from you cause most people are not trained in the proper way of defense with a hand gun. Most people freeze when it comes to self defense. Also if you keep weapons at home and do not lock them up, the make prime targets for home theft. Then these guns are in turned used on other poor souls.
Nanci
Alien Lover
Seriously, though, let's imagine I wake up one night and hear someone messing around the door/window- but they haven't gotten in yet. (I'm in a trailer, there's no doubt in my mind a determined person could bust the door down.) Then what? I don't want a dog. "Please leave now, I've called the police!" :shrugs:
Nanci
Nanci
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
That is true but let me tell you of a story about a teenage girl who was spending the night at some friends or so her parents thought. She hid in the house when her parents came back from a Date night. They got ready for bed while she stayed hidden away. She started to make a noise and to freak out her parents and the father went to investigate with his hand gun and shot her thinking she was a burglar. She didn't survive the injury. This happened in the mid 90's and was in the news. I do not remember the state or what year it happened. But still its a tragic enough story.Nanci said:
I just personally feel that to many people live in fear of their neighbors. Yes there are bad people in the world, I have been a victim of said bad people but still I do not own a gun and never will. The best defense of Gangs and neighbor hood kids is education and talking to them. Most of those kids in the gangs are not bad kids. They just need guidance and someone there for them.
Everyone here has the same hobby, snakes and reptiles. There are many groups or shelters out there with many of these kids looking for help or something to do with their time. I do animal shows for boy scouts and I try to educate as many of the kids as I can. I do this for free for these groups. I think many members here can do the same for these kids. Do a show every few months for them. Get them interested in animals and wanting to work with them. This actually helps them to become better people. Its a known fact, when kids are forced to work on farms they tend to want to go to college and become vet techs.
Nanci
Alien Lover
Yeah, yeah, I heard the same story from my firearms instructor. To get to my house, you have to climb a fence with no trespassing signs. The gate is locked. One person has a key, and has been warned not to make unannounced visits. Since this is a cop, I'm sure he's aware of the potential consequences. Anyone in my yard in the middle of the night is up to no good.
Someone did try to break in a couple years ago, shortly after I'd left for work. They tried to pry the doors open with a screwdriver. Either they chickened out, or the neighbor's dogs made too much noise. I think this was likely a neighbor kid. A "real" burgler would have gotten in.
"Real" or not, the end result is the same. If they get in, I feel terrorized and violated for years, probably forever. If I repel them in some manner, at least I and everything that is mine is safe. I don't think it's possible for a man to feel the same degree of fear as a woman. I'm not saying all females are scaredy cats- but I am. But not as much as I used to be.
Nanci
Someone did try to break in a couple years ago, shortly after I'd left for work. They tried to pry the doors open with a screwdriver. Either they chickened out, or the neighbor's dogs made too much noise. I think this was likely a neighbor kid. A "real" burgler would have gotten in.
"Real" or not, the end result is the same. If they get in, I feel terrorized and violated for years, probably forever. If I repel them in some manner, at least I and everything that is mine is safe. I don't think it's possible for a man to feel the same degree of fear as a woman. I'm not saying all females are scaredy cats- but I am. But not as much as I used to be.
Nanci
Paradox
Insane reptiphile
This really really makes me think. I mean there are always things to complain at in life, but considering this, they're fickle. I live deep in the countryside. If there's been one murder in my village in the last 200 years I would be surprised...the killer here is old age. The closest thing we have to a gang is a bunch of 4 or 5 rowdy kids occasionally smashing a window or two. But because there are so few children in the village they're always tracked down quickly anyway. It's a real thinking point when you hear something like this...
Actually, I believe there is alot that people can do about gangs.
Our town (Oxnard, CA) had a pretty serious gang problem and our city started the old Gang Injunction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_injunction ...
That has been pretty effective, but then it caused a migration to neighboring cities. This has kind of effected me directly (as a property manager in Port Hueneme which borders Oxnard)..
So then the city started up the multi unit crime free program. They use code enforcement officers in communication with property managers to fight the migration. Basically every tenant who rents from me, needs to jump the usual hurdles, plus sign a "crime free lease addendum" which states that if they participate in any criminal activity, they agree to accept a 3 day notice to vacate (this part is the legal gray area..) From there the city contacts me whenever they break the law and I evict. (Obviously we aren't talking about little things here.. ) Additionally the city requires us to change certain things at our properties.. putting up motion detection lights, cutting bushes back under the level of windows, taking out shrubs and such that give criminals "hide spots" for ambush or evading police. We also recieve training as far as recognizing and identifying local gang uniforms and grafitti..
This program has been challenged legally, but should win in any city serious about fighting crime.
Anybody interested in getting their city involved, let me know and I can get you the paperwork.
Our town (Oxnard, CA) had a pretty serious gang problem and our city started the old Gang Injunction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_injunction ...
That has been pretty effective, but then it caused a migration to neighboring cities. This has kind of effected me directly (as a property manager in Port Hueneme which borders Oxnard)..
So then the city started up the multi unit crime free program. They use code enforcement officers in communication with property managers to fight the migration. Basically every tenant who rents from me, needs to jump the usual hurdles, plus sign a "crime free lease addendum" which states that if they participate in any criminal activity, they agree to accept a 3 day notice to vacate (this part is the legal gray area..) From there the city contacts me whenever they break the law and I evict. (Obviously we aren't talking about little things here.. ) Additionally the city requires us to change certain things at our properties.. putting up motion detection lights, cutting bushes back under the level of windows, taking out shrubs and such that give criminals "hide spots" for ambush or evading police. We also recieve training as far as recognizing and identifying local gang uniforms and grafitti..
This program has been challenged legally, but should win in any city serious about fighting crime.
Anybody interested in getting their city involved, let me know and I can get you the paperwork.
suecornish
New member
Get yourself a baseball bat. Swing like you are going to hit a home run.
Put old snake sheds around the door, fence. . .
There is no good answer. #1 - don't worry about your property, it can be replaced-you can't. #2 - make sure doors and windows are lock or made so someone can not open them enough to enter. #3 - Never open the door until you are sure you know who is on the other side. #4 - Late at night - if you are out, walk down the middle of the road.
Personally I would much rather use something like a knife. I KNOW what I am capable of, I've been in that position. Just make sure that if you feel comfortable with a gun, be prepared to pull the trigger after you point it without hesitation.
It's really, really sad that we live in such a violent world.
Put old snake sheds around the door, fence. . .
There is no good answer. #1 - don't worry about your property, it can be replaced-you can't. #2 - make sure doors and windows are lock or made so someone can not open them enough to enter. #3 - Never open the door until you are sure you know who is on the other side. #4 - Late at night - if you are out, walk down the middle of the road.
Personally I would much rather use something like a knife. I KNOW what I am capable of, I've been in that position. Just make sure that if you feel comfortable with a gun, be prepared to pull the trigger after you point it without hesitation.
It's really, really sad that we live in such a violent world.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
So you are telling me that you can shoot and kill a person with no problem? I very much doubt that. There is only one place they teach killing of humans and if you age is correct you are not old enough to join the military or local police. Yes, like I stated I have been in the position of being attacked and a gun will always be the last resort. Property can be taken, a life can never be brought back. And still the with the Self defense laws in this country, you can still see prison time for trying protect your property.Shade said:
Nanci
Alien Lover
Here's the newish Florida law:
The Florida measure says any person "has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm."
Florida law already lets residents defend themselves against attackers if they can prove they could not have escaped. The new law allows them to use deadly force even if they could have fled and says that prosecutors must automatically presume that would-be victims feared for their lives if attacked.
Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?
A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:
Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.
Q. What if someone is attacking me in my own home?
A. The courts have created an exception to the duty to retreat called the “castle doctrine.” Under the castle doctrine, you need not retreat from your own home to avoid using deadly force against an assailant. The castle doctrine applies if you are attacked in your own home by an intruder or an invited guest.
Q. What if I am in my place of business and someone comes in to rob me? Do I have to retreat before using deadly force?
A. The castle doctrine also applies when you are in your place of business. If you are in danger of death or great bodily harm or you are trying to prevent a forcible felony, you do not have to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense.
Q. What if I am in my vehicle?
A. A person has no duty to retreat in his lawfully occupied vehicle against a person who was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering or had unlawfully and forcefully entered an occupied vehicle or had unlawfully and forcefully removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the occupied vehicle.
The Florida measure says any person "has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm."
Florida law already lets residents defend themselves against attackers if they can prove they could not have escaped. The new law allows them to use deadly force even if they could have fled and says that prosecutors must automatically presume that would-be victims feared for their lives if attacked.
Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?
A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:
Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.
Q. What if someone is attacking me in my own home?
A. The courts have created an exception to the duty to retreat called the “castle doctrine.” Under the castle doctrine, you need not retreat from your own home to avoid using deadly force against an assailant. The castle doctrine applies if you are attacked in your own home by an intruder or an invited guest.
Q. What if I am in my place of business and someone comes in to rob me? Do I have to retreat before using deadly force?
A. The castle doctrine also applies when you are in your place of business. If you are in danger of death or great bodily harm or you are trying to prevent a forcible felony, you do not have to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense.
Q. What if I am in my vehicle?
A. A person has no duty to retreat in his lawfully occupied vehicle against a person who was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering or had unlawfully and forcefully entered an occupied vehicle or had unlawfully and forcefully removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the occupied vehicle.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Trust me, saying you can kill someone and doing it are 2 different things. People who taught they can are the ones who freeze up or panic in the situations.Shade said:
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Nanci, this is an excellent post but there lies one problem. Every state is different. I am sure Texas has a similar law as well. But from most of my life experiences most people are not prepared to handle a situation with a gun. Most professionals will tell you to not use a hand gun in a situation for it possibly being used against you by your attacker. The average person panics and that is when the problem happens.
But here is another thing to think about, how often does the average person need to use a hand gun?
Rule number 1 for hand guns and any weapon is you keep it locked up. Well if you are in a situation where you need to use it immediately well the point is moot. Or if you are walking down the street, you have your gun in your purse and you get mugged. first off the crime has been done and they either have your purse or they already have their weapon on you and you can not get to yours.
But here is another thing to think about, how often does the average person need to use a hand gun?
Rule number 1 for hand guns and any weapon is you keep it locked up. Well if you are in a situation where you need to use it immediately well the point is moot. Or if you are walking down the street, you have your gun in your purse and you get mugged. first off the crime has been done and they either have your purse or they already have their weapon on you and you can not get to yours.
Nanci said:
Shade
Attack Iguana
tricksterpup said:
I realize that they are two different things. I also realize that you do not know everybody well enough to make such generalizations. I know that I would defend myself and others. It's basic, animal instinct. And no matter how hard we try to distance ourselves from the fact, we are still animals with the instincts to fight (or flee) when it becomes necessary.
For the record, I've been in a situation where I needed to defend myself, and it came naturally. I don't really comprehend how someone can just 'freeze up' when there's a direct threat to be dealt with.
Nanci
Alien Lover
I always wondered if I could do CPR, after years of training and recertification. Then one day I saw a kid swim over a dam and not come up, not come up...Finally he came to the surface and was blue and the people down at the pool dragged him out. I was at the top of the dam and instinctively ripped off the baby carrier on my back and threw it at my friend (with Kelly in it!!) and ran down to where the kid was without even thinking or hesitating for a second. Two bystanders had already started CPR, though. The kid lived. You never know what's going to happen till it does.
Nanci
Nanci
Nanci
Alien Lover
I have this friend who tells a story. He fell asleep on the couch, with his patio door open. When he woke up, his cat was staring very intently at the closet. My friend opened the closet, and there was a man in there. My friend, without even thinking, went berserk and totally attacked the person with bare hands- like he was possessed. The intruder got away and fled.
Oh, that reminds me of another story. I used to work night shift. The hospital I was at had a darkroom on an upper floor in a department that wasn't open at night. It was the kind of darkroom with the spinning door- you go in a round chamber and spin the wall around you until the door opens into the darkroom. As I was coming out one night a coworker was standing there quietly right at the door opening, trying to scare me. I punched her so hard in the chest I knocked her down before I could even recognise her.
The self-preservation instinct, fight or flight, is very strong.
Nanci
Oh, that reminds me of another story. I used to work night shift. The hospital I was at had a darkroom on an upper floor in a department that wasn't open at night. It was the kind of darkroom with the spinning door- you go in a round chamber and spin the wall around you until the door opens into the darkroom. As I was coming out one night a coworker was standing there quietly right at the door opening, trying to scare me. I punched her so hard in the chest I knocked her down before I could even recognise her.
The self-preservation instinct, fight or flight, is very strong.
Nanci