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Help me check my knowledge?

MrsCornSnake

MrsCornSnake

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I'm planning out my breeding plan for the next few years, and trying to figure out what kind of snakes I will need to purchase. I just wanted to double check to make sure that I wasn't totally off base. It will be my first time trying to selectively breed anything.

Sunglow motley + Lavender = Opal het motley, right?

Butter + Butter stripe = 50% butter het stripe, 50% butter stripe... right?

Okay, I know the last one is stupid, but I'm still checking. :crazy02:
 
Darn! Well I was close. :)

Thanks. So if I bred those normal het opals together I have the chance of getting some opals?
 
MrsCornSnake said:
Darn! Well I was close. :)

Thanks. So if I bred those normal het opals together I have the chance of getting some opals?
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I'm at work, so don't have the exact percentages, but you're working with a triple het. You'll have a chance at the following when breeding Normal het Opal Motley:
Normals (largest percentage)
Amels
Lavenders
Opals
Motley
Amel Motley
Lavender Motley
Opal Motley (smallest percentage)

I think that covers it off the top of my head . . .
D80
 
Here's the percentages:
42% Normal (66% possible het amel, lavender, and motley)
14% Lavender (66% possible het amel, motley)
14% Amel (66% possible het lavender, motley)
14% Motley (Normal, 66% possible het amel, lavender)
5% Opal (66% possible het motley)
5% Motley Amel (66% possible het lavender)
5% Motley Lavender (66% possible het amel)
1.5% Motley Opal


So... basically, the Motley Opal is a 1/64 chance out a triple het clutch. However, the Opal that you originally asked about (no Motley) is a 3/64 chance. There's a definite possibility! Also, remember that all of these percentages are PER EGG, not a percentage for the clutch. Each egg has equal possibility of getting any gene from the parents.
 
Ohhhhh I have so much to learn. Thank you for the help. I think the best way for me to start is to just buy two of the type of snakes that I would like and breed 'em, rather than go through a complicated mess with hets.... at least, not until I'm more experienced.
 
The only important thing to remember...

is that for a baby to EXHIBIT a trait, that trait must come from BOTH parents, not just one. It can come from parents who EXHIBIT the trait, or are HET for the trait, but both must possess it in some way in order to pass it to the baby.

The baby must inherit TWO genes for that trait in order to EXHIBIT it (assuming it is a simple recessive trait). Otherwise, the most that can happen is that the baby will be het for the trait, and can pass it on to future generations.

Another tip that you may or may not already know: Whenever trying to figure out combo traits (opal, snow, ghost, etc), don't think of them by that combo name, think of them by their components (snow = amel and anery, etc). Then it will be much easier to figure out how EACH separate trait will be inherited.

Hope that helps a little in your future "figuring out".
 
and the co-dominant and the dominant gene ????????

kathylove said:
is that for a baby to EXHIBIT a trait, that trait must come from BOTH parents, not just one[/COLOR] It can come from parents who EXHIBIT the trait, or are HET for the trait, but both must possess it in some way in order to pass it to the baby.


.This is not always the The ultra gene is codominant, and the buff is a dominnant gene.Here i must have only one parent.
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Yes, not every corn gene is simple recessive, but almost all are. For the beginner, I feel it is better to really get used to figuring out the simple recessives and become comfortable with that. For the moment, the beginner can ignore other genes. Once they understand the concept of 2 genes - one from each parent - and how they can combine to produce a simple recessive trait, and even 2 simple recessive traits that make up a combo "look", then I feel it will be much easier for them to grasp the idea of how other types of inheritance can work.

In corns, unlike many ball python morphs, it seems like our few "oddly inherited" genes often work together when paired with other genes that are recessive to normal (amel and ultra, stripe and motley), instead of paired with normal genes, such as pastel or spider ball pythons. This may seem complicated to a novice. So I would really urge any confused beginners to ignore this whole aspect for a while and concentrate on becoming familiar with the recessive genes I pointed out in my first post. Once comfortable with that concept, which will allow computing results from most pairings, be assured that there are still more challenges ahead, lol!
 
OK, so "buff" is pretty much a brand new gene that slangenbroed is still playing with to figure out exactly what's going on, but it has the possibility of being the first dominant gene in corns? Cool. I would have never known. Thanks for the info!
 
Slangenbroed's got one on his website (www.slangenbroed.nl)
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They look pretty normal-ish from the pictures, at least to me. I'm sure they look different in person. The "orange" definitely look different than regular Amels.
 
JaimeP said:
Slangenbroed's got one on his website (www.slangenbroed.nl)
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They look pretty normal-ish from the pictures, at least to me. I'm sure they look different in person. The "orange" definitely look different than regular Amels.
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Thanks Jaime! They are much darker than I expected. Buff to me would have been a rather pale yellow. I think I might like it, esp. with some really dark black on the saddles....
 
pics as ask

Difference when amel and orange ( buff-amel ) is born
Buff from 4 years old and orange from 2006
 

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