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Housing Romantic???
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Missymonkey
New member
look into my magic glass swirly ball
As for emotions, if you watch the Pet Psychic on animal planet, darling, animals obviously have emotions....and issues, problems and all that gobble-dee-gook
(I love the pet phycic, but of course am sceptical, although she is uncannily convincing, of course she may just be out to make a quick buck too, however that one parrot stopped chewing on itself and that one horse started eating after she "talked" to them.... hmmm)
As for emotions, if you watch the Pet Psychic on animal planet, darling, animals obviously have emotions....and issues, problems and all that gobble-dee-gook
(I love the pet phycic, but of course am sceptical, although she is uncannily convincing, of course she may just be out to make a quick buck too, however that one parrot stopped chewing on itself and that one horse started eating after she "talked" to them.... hmmm)
bmm
New member
again
You are using warm blooded animals as your example as was animal planet.
Of course certain animals do have some form of emotion such as parrots, dogs, cats, etc.
We are talking cold blooded predetors here who have survived on this earth by NOT having emotions. Not parrots.
If a snake does have emotions, then I'd have to say anything with emotions that can squeeze the life out of a young crying mouse week after week in the wild or captivity, probably doesn't also want any "friendship" or "happiness" with any human. and certainly doesn't care if he is living in a large rubbermaid or a large tank. Glass or plastic? It doesn't matte.r
bmm
You are using warm blooded animals as your example as was animal planet.
Of course certain animals do have some form of emotion such as parrots, dogs, cats, etc.
We are talking cold blooded predetors here who have survived on this earth by NOT having emotions. Not parrots.
If a snake does have emotions, then I'd have to say anything with emotions that can squeeze the life out of a young crying mouse week after week in the wild or captivity, probably doesn't also want any "friendship" or "happiness" with any human. and certainly doesn't care if he is living in a large rubbermaid or a large tank. Glass or plastic? It doesn't matte.r
bmm
PSYCOSNAKEMOM
~~~~~~~:~ Newbies Rule?
Love the energy ~~~~~~:~
This debate and various opinions related to this topic have been expressed on and off on the forum. I find it exciting that people are able to express strong "feelings", disagree, show respect, have an open mind and learn something new, not only about their snakes but about themselves. I think I'll throw in another variable, the one of language. As humans we are able to identify and label our feelings and those things associated with what causes the feelings. Snakes are only able to do this through their behavior, which, if we own a snake we can "read" that behavior and then label the feeling for the snake, but only because we have the language. I know what it feels like to be stressed out, so does my snake. I know what makes me feel happy, so where is the stretch that my snake knows happiness. I mean really what is happiness if it isn't a warm cooked meal and a beer at Chilis? Well, I think that is... at least the beginning, do snakes try to self actualize and move beyond the basic needs realm of feelings? Who knows. I heard that the gods and goddess started us out as flatworms. I like to think I started out as a snake. Sam ~~~~~~:~ Oh yeah, no I don't squeeze the life out of mice I just throw them in the freezer to die, but I do enjoy squeezing my baby back ribs at Chilis! :0) Is the whipping thing a higher order form of pleasure on the hierarchy scale? I'm into purple
myself.
This debate and various opinions related to this topic have been expressed on and off on the forum. I find it exciting that people are able to express strong "feelings", disagree, show respect, have an open mind and learn something new, not only about their snakes but about themselves. I think I'll throw in another variable, the one of language. As humans we are able to identify and label our feelings and those things associated with what causes the feelings. Snakes are only able to do this through their behavior, which, if we own a snake we can "read" that behavior and then label the feeling for the snake, but only because we have the language. I know what it feels like to be stressed out, so does my snake. I know what makes me feel happy, so where is the stretch that my snake knows happiness. I mean really what is happiness if it isn't a warm cooked meal and a beer at Chilis? Well, I think that is... at least the beginning, do snakes try to self actualize and move beyond the basic needs realm of feelings? Who knows. I heard that the gods and goddess started us out as flatworms. I like to think I started out as a snake. Sam ~~~~~~:~ Oh yeah, no I don't squeeze the life out of mice I just throw them in the freezer to die, but I do enjoy squeezing my baby back ribs at Chilis! :0) Is the whipping thing a higher order form of pleasure on the hierarchy scale? I'm into purple
myself.
Kilojara16
Reptile Cartoonist
Reptiles don't have the emotions we humans do, I'm sure of that. But I can't help but imagine reptiles and other animals having those emotions. Why do you think Nacho & Cheese is amusing? Nacho the corn was sad that his mice were frozen. Nacho was mad when he got flushed down the drain. He was even being a show off when Mack the cat couldn't catch Cheese the mouse. It's fun to think of these things. Still, in real life, reptiles don't seem to be capable of complex human emotion (like joy, love,jealousy,etc.) but I think snakes have simple emotions or moods. That is one of the many mysteries of the universe that have yet to be discovered.
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
My ANSOLUTELY EMOTIONLESS response is that rack systems are better for the snakes in question. The reason I say this because I have found (after using both systems) that the snakes thrive when they are separated and allowed to be in slightly opaque, small containers.
Corns ARE predators, but they are also the prey for lots of other animals in the wild. That being true, I have found that corns really seem to like being out of sight as much as they can. That's why we have hide boxes, after all. If a corn could bask, eat, drink, and dispose of its waste without ever being seen, it would be extremely stress-free in my opinion. The glass enclosures are nice when set up, but they are for our pleasure, not the snake's. I really don't think snakes are as stress-free when they have to go "out into the open" in order to reach their food, water, or whatever.
These facts combined with the space saving and ease of rack systems, and I have no intention of ever going back to tanks again. That's not necessarily true, actually. My wife and I have talked about building a big tank with a stand to "show off" our adults. Again though, that's for our pleasure, not the snakes'.
Darin
Corns ARE predators, but they are also the prey for lots of other animals in the wild. That being true, I have found that corns really seem to like being out of sight as much as they can. That's why we have hide boxes, after all. If a corn could bask, eat, drink, and dispose of its waste without ever being seen, it would be extremely stress-free in my opinion. The glass enclosures are nice when set up, but they are for our pleasure, not the snake's. I really don't think snakes are as stress-free when they have to go "out into the open" in order to reach their food, water, or whatever.
These facts combined with the space saving and ease of rack systems, and I have no intention of ever going back to tanks again. That's not necessarily true, actually. My wife and I have talked about building a big tank with a stand to "show off" our adults. Again though, that's for our pleasure, not the snakes'.
Darin
Hello everybody I'm sure everybody is annoyed to death by me on my postings about killing mice, but anyways...
I only have one snake right now with two babies on the way (both anerys) I already have larger tanks for both the anerys when they grow up set aside. Why? For one thing, the one I have adores her home. I put in extra aspen every once in awhile, and she loves it. She has two hides in her home, but she is a free-roaming snake and never goes in them except to sleep. She enjoys "swimming" in and out of the aspen and moving around in an obvious "hunt-mode", even when she just ate. (She somehow has not regurgitated once since I bought her.) I geuss it really depends on the snake. I know my snake simply cannot and will not handle a plastic container, even a large one.
You see, I put her in one several weels ago and she flipped out. Not only did she bite me for the first time, but when I brought her to the vet and described what she was doing, he said she was seriously stressed. She had rubbed her nose against the plastic until the space between her nostrils bled. She's a spoiled snake, really - she lives in a 40 gallon tank now, the little princess of snake-snobs. So I suppose that if racks are what you can afford and need for your many different pets, they're probably okay for the snakes. Some individuals are just hiders, and others simply can't live without their exercise. As for emotions...who knows. I like to give snakes the benefit of the doubt and say they do so i have an excuse when I tell about how much I spoil my own little girl Maybe I'm just a crazy animal-rights activist, though
Smaller tubs being more natural? Well, I don't know for certain, but I would think that snakes spend at least a little of their time out hunting, and that when they were finished they'd seek a hide spot to digest, sleep, and escape the threat of predators. So IMHO, large tanks would be more natural. They would have room to hunt and then a large hide to snug into. And didn't something in the manual state that snakes are less stressed when they have to hunt down their food? Of course, you could simulate that in a plastic tub, too...
But it's just your snake. Mine likes climbing, and I know plenty of other corns who don't. Angel is stressed by plastic enclosures, other aren't. Take your pick.
(God, I need to find a way to put my opinion in a way that takes up less room...)
I'm sure everybody is annoyed to death by me on my postings about killing mice, but anyways...I only have one snake right now with two babies on the way (both anerys) I already have larger tanks for both the anerys when they grow up set aside. Why? For one thing, the one I have adores her home. I put in extra aspen every once in awhile, and she loves it. She has two hides in her home, but she is a free-roaming snake and never goes in them except to sleep. She enjoys "swimming" in and out of the aspen and moving around in an obvious "hunt-mode", even when she just ate. (She somehow has not regurgitated once since I bought her.) I geuss it really depends on the snake. I know my snake simply cannot and will not handle a plastic container, even a large one.
You see, I put her in one several weels ago and she flipped out. Not only did she bite me for the first time, but when I brought her to the vet and described what she was doing, he said she was seriously stressed. She had rubbed her nose against the plastic until the space between her nostrils bled. She's a spoiled snake, really - she lives in a 40 gallon tank now, the little princess of snake-snobs. So I suppose that if racks are what you can afford and need for your many different pets, they're probably okay for the snakes. Some individuals are just hiders, and others simply can't live without their exercise. As for emotions...who knows. I like to give snakes the benefit of the doubt and say they do so i have an excuse when I tell about how much I spoil my own little girl
Maybe I'm just a crazy animal-rights activist, thoughSmaller tubs being more natural? Well, I don't know for certain, but I would think that snakes spend at least a little of their time out hunting, and that when they were finished they'd seek a hide spot to digest, sleep, and escape the threat of predators. So IMHO, large tanks would be more natural. They would have room to hunt and then a large hide to snug into. And didn't something in the manual state that snakes are less stressed when they have to hunt down their food? Of course, you could simulate that in a plastic tub, too...
But it's just your snake. Mine likes climbing, and I know plenty of other corns who don't. Angel is stressed by plastic enclosures, other aren't. Take your pick.
(God, I need to find a way to put my opinion in a way that takes up less room...)
snakemanone
New member
Opinions.
Hi Celeste.
Very well said and i agre totaly but i guess some keepers dont, so i would like to say, each to their own, i prefer the larger enclosures, all of my adult have an enclosure measuring 40"x18"x18" 3 hides,2 water bowls(1large &1 small).
happt herping...................................STEVE.
Hi Celeste.
Very well said and i agre totaly but i guess some keepers dont, so i would like to say, each to their own, i prefer the larger enclosures, all of my adult have an enclosure measuring 40"x18"x18" 3 hides,2 water bowls(1large &1 small).
happt herping...................................STEVE.
SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
post some pics of your tanks will ya
apollo's mom
New member
im just adding my 2 cents.
i personally think that although corns like to hide, that doesnt mean they enjoy being confined. i have a rather large glass tank for my corn. He seems to be thriving in this environment. the thing with a glass enclosure is to have places to hide. i also have a lot of fake plants in with him. these plants make it so that he isnt always visable but they provide a way for him to "hide" in plain sight. Furthermore, at night (or when its completely dark in my room) i hear him creeping about a LOT. this makes me think that even if the snakes are secure in their little shelved boxes, they dont have a full life. they dont have the chance to stretch out and move about the way i think they should. obviously this is a very heated topic and everyone has their own opinion. but provided adequate cover in the form of fake veggitation i find that my lil guy enjoys moving about even if he doesnt move as much as he hides.
i personally think that although corns like to hide, that doesnt mean they enjoy being confined. i have a rather large glass tank for my corn. He seems to be thriving in this environment. the thing with a glass enclosure is to have places to hide. i also have a lot of fake plants in with him. these plants make it so that he isnt always visable but they provide a way for him to "hide" in plain sight. Furthermore, at night (or when its completely dark in my room) i hear him creeping about a LOT. this makes me think that even if the snakes are secure in their little shelved boxes, they dont have a full life. they dont have the chance to stretch out and move about the way i think they should. obviously this is a very heated topic and everyone has their own opinion. but provided adequate cover in the form of fake veggitation i find that my lil guy enjoys moving about even if he doesnt move as much as he hides.
SilverTongue, it may take a while for me to get pics *sigh* I don't have a scanner, so I have to put picks on a CD, which seems to take forever and costs quite a bit. But I'll get some eventually Apollo's mom, I think that's cool that you have plants in there...my female has rocks in hers to shed with, enormous branches to climb on, and of course a tissue box that she thinks is home-sweet-home when she's not exploring (which for her is most of the time She's like a lizard every once in a while...she sits on her rock and stares up at me like I did something totally offensive. I love the way corns look straight up at you
Apollo's mom, I think that's cool that you have plants in there...my female has rocks in hers to shed with, enormous branches to climb on, and of course a tissue box that she thinks is home-sweet-home when she's not exploring (which for her is most of the time She's like a lizard every once in a while...she sits on her rock and stares up at me like I did something totally offensive. I love the way corns look straight up at you
SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
LoL Slinka actually reared up at me in strike mode the other day. At first she wanted to strik, but either thought better not to or realized it was her new mommy. Either way I just thought it was adorable, I couldnt be scared if i needed to God forbid I ever get a baby rattler or viper!
God forbid I ever get a baby rattler or viper!
PSYCOSNAKEMOM
~~~~~~~:~ Newbies Rule?
Different Homes for Different Snakes~~~~~:~
Everyone seems to be making some really valid points. There doesn't seem to be one "best" way to house these snakes and there are benefits to the variety. Here at our home, we use the plastic tupperware for eating and the 48hr. We also use then for baths and time outs when the maid (me) comes to clean their glass houses. We also use small glass houses when they seem to need a little quiet time. During the day they go to the sunroom or playhouse. It is a soft plastic mesh used only for a few hours a day, not to sleep for for extended time. Photo below. One thing seems pretty clear different snakes response differently from each other no matter which environment they are in. Cournelius seems "happy" no matter where he is, he stretches out, climbs, explores, likes to be held. Sauron is second to him and also seems comfortable and well adjusted. But Barbie only has BOLTING on her mind though she likes to pick a high spot and just relax, Merlin comes in second to this bolting need and Beanie is always in her hide away no matter where she is. She is in this photo. In the hide-away of course! The plants are live. A swimming pool, a space ship, a climbing stick, a hide with a water top for drinking. Open window with late day sun and fresh air. Vacation for two, Barbie is to the right. ~~~~~~:~ Sam
Everyone seems to be making some really valid points. There doesn't seem to be one "best" way to house these snakes and there are benefits to the variety. Here at our home, we use the plastic tupperware for eating and the 48hr. We also use then for baths and time outs when the maid (me) comes to clean their glass houses. We also use small glass houses when they seem to need a little quiet time. During the day they go to the sunroom or playhouse. It is a soft plastic mesh used only for a few hours a day, not to sleep for for extended time. Photo below. One thing seems pretty clear different snakes response differently from each other no matter which environment they are in. Cournelius seems "happy" no matter where he is, he stretches out, climbs, explores, likes to be held. Sauron is second to him and also seems comfortable and well adjusted. But Barbie only has BOLTING on her mind though she likes to pick a high spot and just relax, Merlin comes in second to this bolting need and Beanie is always in her hide away no matter where she is. She is in this photo. In the hide-away of course! The plants are live. A swimming pool, a space ship, a climbing stick, a hide with a water top for drinking. Open window with late day sun and fresh air. Vacation for two, Barbie is to the right. ~~~~~~:~ Sam
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SilverTongue
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Pretty nice. I hope to get my camera soon! I wanna post pics!