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Housing Romantic???
- Thread starter Jimmy C.
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snakemanone
New member
pine shavings
Hiya Carol.
Did not know pine is poisonous to corns, i thank you .
Can not get aspen over here (uk) or i dont think so anyway, only had it for a while though, i use kitchen towel now.
happy herping.....................STEVE.
Hiya Carol.
Did not know pine is poisonous to corns, i thank you .
Can not get aspen over here (uk) or i dont think so anyway, only had it for a while though, i use kitchen towel now.
happy herping.....................STEVE.
snakemanone
New member
SUBSTRATE
HIYA PIPATIC.
Where is coast to coast and do they mail????????.
..........................steve.
HIYA PIPATIC.
Where is coast to coast and do they mail????????.
..........................steve.
Snakemanone, try looking in places that carry Bird supplies, often pet stores who keep birds will have aspen or other types of safe bedding. Just stay away from pine, walnut and cedar. In the meantime, kitchen towels or paper towels will work great. Good Luck!
Carol
Carol
pipatic
give me your corns
snakemanone
New member
Substrate
Hiya Pipatic.
THANX,THANX,THANX AND THANX AGAIN.
SO XCITED EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS...............STEVE
Hiya Pipatic.
THANX,THANX,THANX AND THANX AGAIN.
SO XCITED EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS...............STEVE
snakemanone
New member
Ken Harbart
New member
Not all pine is bad. Pine that has been kiln dried is safe for use as a substrate.
bmm
New member
well
I think it's silly to put a statement into the post above quite a few:
"should be flogged"
for what?
Let's say we have two snakes, one liviing in a viv like some and another living in a tupperware. If both are breeding and healthy why should the owner who keeps his in a rubbermaid be "flogged" ???? That's a ridiculous statement considering most people are able to keep LARGER rubbermaids than your vivs by the photos I have seen. All my rubbermaids are more spacious than tanks. AND My snakes have since been happy and healthier without germs and bacteria growing in the tanks because it latches itself on the silicone if not cleaned properly.
So please, take me out and flog me. But I prefer the large spacious rubbermaids. And I also prefer refraining from labelling snakes with human emotions. They are not "happy" or "sad" ever. period. They are either stressed out, sick, not getting healthy temps and exercise or they are getting proper temps, and have minimal stress. Snakes aren't friendly and I can assure you, your snakes aren't looking out of their clear viv thinking "gee look at the humans, I am glad I have a view!" they are looking and not understand the clear force holding them back from getting out. Rubbermaids have also proved to be better by having less nose rubbing on clear tank glass.
bmm.
IMHO
I think it's silly to put a statement into the post above quite a few:
"should be flogged"
for what?
Let's say we have two snakes, one liviing in a viv like some and another living in a tupperware. If both are breeding and healthy why should the owner who keeps his in a rubbermaid be "flogged" ???? That's a ridiculous statement considering most people are able to keep LARGER rubbermaids than your vivs by the photos I have seen. All my rubbermaids are more spacious than tanks. AND My snakes have since been happy and healthier without germs and bacteria growing in the tanks because it latches itself on the silicone if not cleaned properly.
So please, take me out and flog me. But I prefer the large spacious rubbermaids. And I also prefer refraining from labelling snakes with human emotions. They are not "happy" or "sad" ever. period. They are either stressed out, sick, not getting healthy temps and exercise or they are getting proper temps, and have minimal stress. Snakes aren't friendly and I can assure you, your snakes aren't looking out of their clear viv thinking "gee look at the humans, I am glad I have a view!" they are looking and not understand the clear force holding them back from getting out. Rubbermaids have also proved to be better by having less nose rubbing on clear tank glass.
bmm.
IMHO
bmm
New member
sorry
if that is the case I read it wrong. And i am sorry!
I just really don't like when people anthropomorphize (not saying that anyone here did that, it just gets to me)
I mean there is a differance between wanting that perfect habitate for your snake, and attaching human emotions to them such as happiness, sadness, and other human emotions. A snake is not "happier" in a tank or tub, he is healthy and less under stress in either one which provides the correct living conditions. Just because something is opaque doesn't make it cruel, or even more ridiculously, make the snake "unhappy"
In animals these things are measured by health, breeding, sucessful clutches, eating etc. Not by assigning emotions to them they do not have.
bmm.
if that is the case I read it wrong. And i am sorry!
I just really don't like when people anthropomorphize (not saying that anyone here did that, it just gets to me)
I mean there is a differance between wanting that perfect habitate for your snake, and attaching human emotions to them such as happiness, sadness, and other human emotions. A snake is not "happier" in a tank or tub, he is healthy and less under stress in either one which provides the correct living conditions. Just because something is opaque doesn't make it cruel, or even more ridiculously, make the snake "unhappy"
In animals these things are measured by health, breeding, sucessful clutches, eating etc. Not by assigning emotions to them they do not have.
bmm.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I definitely agree that human emotions shouldn't be attached to snakes. As long as they are healthy, breeding, eating, growing, etc. then they are fine. I also think that housing is simply a preference of the owner...I don't think the snakes really care as long as their needs are met.
SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
As far as the flogging?? hehe Yes you are right CornCrazy. 
As far as the human emotions go that is a different story. Because you have said it there. HUMAN emotions. Ofcourse a snake or any other animal for that matter do not have HUMAN emotions. But you are being closed minded and egotistical if you think a snake or any other animal for that matter has no emotions.
There is no definate proof that they have none and there is no definate proof that they have any. But just incase they did. Even on the slightest chance. Dont you think we should cater to them a lil bit considering we controll their exsticance like gods of sorts.
Like I have said before. (I can say this because I am a recovering Babtist) Most religions believe animals have no emotions. But for those who are NOT closed minded you can easily see a dog wagging its tail to mean it is happy to see you. But if you follow some sort of Christian Dogma then you are incorrect. See my point.
We can see the dog wagging its tail. We can hear the kitten purrr in our ear when it is happy, why?? because we have grown up understanding. We have learned to understand these meanings. No we are not ALL like Timmy and we dont know what the dog is saying and we would be really out of luck had someone fell in a well, but what we do understand we can rely on. Owning dogs and cats and such goes back many many generations. We are well experienced with them.
How many generations do WE ALL have in raising herps???
They have taught gorrillias how to speak (AmSign) and have since learned that even a beast that could kill you on accident with a hug can get scared and lonely and fall in love. That was just in the past 15-20 years. Imagen what we shall accomplish in communication andf understanding by the time are children are old.
(readers digest version)
All I am trying to say....That unless YOU can COMPLEATLY understand everything or even a smigen of what your pet is thinking....then you have no way of knowing if it is emotionless or not. And dont give me any crud about not haveing the bodily or chemicall parts for emotions. It think that is a bunch of
(enter byproduct of food here)
***puts soapbox away***
for the moment
As far as the human emotions go that is a different story. Because you have said it there. HUMAN emotions. Ofcourse a snake or any other animal for that matter do not have HUMAN emotions. But you are being closed minded and egotistical if you think a snake or any other animal for that matter has no emotions.
There is no definate proof that they have none and there is no definate proof that they have any. But just incase they did. Even on the slightest chance. Dont you think we should cater to them a lil bit considering we controll their exsticance like gods of sorts.
Like I have said before. (I can say this because I am a recovering Babtist) Most religions believe animals have no emotions. But for those who are NOT closed minded you can easily see a dog wagging its tail to mean it is happy to see you. But if you follow some sort of Christian Dogma then you are incorrect. See my point.
We can see the dog wagging its tail. We can hear the kitten purrr in our ear when it is happy, why?? because we have grown up understanding. We have learned to understand these meanings. No we are not ALL like Timmy and we dont know what the dog is saying and we would be really out of luck had someone fell in a well, but what we do understand we can rely on. Owning dogs and cats and such goes back many many generations. We are well experienced with them.
How many generations do WE ALL have in raising herps???
They have taught gorrillias how to speak (AmSign) and have since learned that even a beast that could kill you on accident with a hug can get scared and lonely and fall in love. That was just in the past 15-20 years. Imagen what we shall accomplish in communication andf understanding by the time are children are old.
(readers digest version)
All I am trying to say....That unless YOU can COMPLEATLY understand everything or even a smigen of what your pet is thinking....then you have no way of knowing if it is emotionless or not. And dont give me any crud about not haveing the bodily or chemicall parts for emotions. It think that is a bunch of
(enter byproduct of food here)
***puts soapbox away***
for the moment
SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
hehe no comment ***swings her purple cooshie whip***
bmm
New member
well
I don't agree or disagree with tanks or rubbermaids. either one, whatever. But you gave only warm blooded animals for your examples, and reptiles are a totally different world. But in any case, think what you will, but I am assure you no snake is "happier" behind glass than it is behind opaque plastic. It does not know the differance, and since that is what the original thread was about, tanks or vivs, that is what I am saying.
No snake knows glass from plastic. Period. My rubbermaids are bigger than tanks.
but anyways!
bmm
I don't agree or disagree with tanks or rubbermaids. either one, whatever. But you gave only warm blooded animals for your examples, and reptiles are a totally different world. But in any case, think what you will, but I am assure you no snake is "happier" behind glass than it is behind opaque plastic. It does not know the differance, and since that is what the original thread was about, tanks or vivs, that is what I am saying.
No snake knows glass from plastic. Period. My rubbermaids are bigger than tanks.
but anyways!
bmm