how many corns in one viv?

[jono]

:laugh01: anyone keep more than one pair of corns in the same enclosure? if so do you have any probs? would two males/females fight? wouldnt do it without advice off breeder/keeper....
thanx
jono
england uk :bowdown:

 

[stefmc24]

there are many mixed opinions on housing even TWO corn snakes together in one viv. in the end, it is up to you if you want to take the risk. here's a link to a recent thread on this topic. i'd also recommend doing a forum search on cannibalism.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17224&highlight=housing

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Generally, it is not recomended to house more then one cornsnake together.

 

[jono]

cheers........will keep the two pairs seperate!!!! just needed to know

 

[stefmc24]

good decision!

and good luck with your snakes!!! :cheers:

 

[Acradon]

It is no problem to keep more than one snake together if the enclosure is big enough. Two males though will fight in season and that can be nasty. Also it is hard to know if you find a regurgitated mouse which one it is from. There are several other reason that have been discussed in detail before. Th search fundtion should reveal some other threads.

Acradon

 

[darkpbstar]

I'm with Acradon. I keep two together. Two females that is. dont do a search on cannablism. That will only lead to snakes eating eachother :eats02: you need to know more than just hte fact about them eating eachother, when to feed, hides, size of enclosure, such.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Lets Review the Pros and Cons of keeping Cornsnakes together...

Pros
- You don't have to spend the extra money for the additional caging and supplies you will need

Cons
- Cannabilisum
- Aggression
- Stress (which results in not eatting)
- Spread of disease
- If a problem arises (regurge, unusual bowel movement, etc), you will not know which snake is having the problem

The only Pro I could think of is a very selfish thought for an owner...

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16583&highlight=cuddling

 

[newt]

jono if you are thinking on putting one or more corns together please do this first. If they have not been together ever then seperate them at first, for a month or soo. Just anough time for you to know its personality, watch it for a while to see what it does, check on its feaces make sure it normal. The problem with putting two snakes in an incloser is that it stresses the snakes out. Some snakes stop eating, others stay hidden, or you might not have any problems at all. You should also introduce them slowly together and watch how they are together. I house each of my pairs in a 50 gallon this way their is room for them to separate if needed. Cannablism is rare but has happened, you do not want to take that chance. When you do finally make the decision on putting them together be very carefull and watch them closely.
I know breeders that dont put pairs together for the season but only for them to breed, and I know others that pair them up all yr round.

It is a personal choice and you have to be sure.

 

[oldhand]

The advice Kathy love is spot on for the pro's and con's. Personally i don't, but have done when out of space (short periods no longer then 4-6 weeks till i get a viv) and never with a new snake as they need quarentining. Also i only house females together because of the risk of premature breeding, and males fighting (during breeding sesion).

Hope this helps

 

[brownie55]

The advice Kathy love is spot on for the pro's and con's. Personally i don't, but have done when out of space (short periods no longer then 4-6 weeks till i get a viv) and never with a new snake as they need quarentining. Also i only house females together because of the risk of premature breeding, and males fighting (during breeding sesion).

Hope this helps

I hate to argue, but I could find no pros and cons in either of Kathy Love's pieces. I found cons and how to go about minimizing them, but no real pros. Other than saving some space and cost by not adding a second viv, what are the pros?

 

[darkpbstar]

see the thing is, no one knows what they are feeling. You can say they are stressed, which I'm sure does happen, but when you are saying they are always stressed and stuff, that isnt' true, we can't go into a snakes body and see what it is thinking, that is just it. ANyway, if you feed them, feed them several days apart, this gives me a good way of feeding. That way if you find a regurged mouse, you know that the snake you fed 5 days ago didn't do it, but if you just fed one the night before, and suddenly there is no lump...hmmm. anyway, good luck. :dancer:

 

[stefmc24]

dont do a search on cannablism. That will only lead to snakes eating eachother :eats02:

why not do a search? isn't it important to have ALL the information before making an "informed" decision?

personally, i'd be devastated if i came home to see one of my pets slurping down the other only because i was told to ignore that risk.

or maybe that's just me.

 

[oldhand]

brownie55, i just ment it sums up both side of the argument with info both for and angainst (probably not pro and cons but general info).
Personally i keep mine seperate because of the risks involved, no matter how big or small, but thats just mho.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Actually...I've never read any good reason why you SHOULD keep them together. Just good reasons why you SHOULDN'T. That I believe, is what Brownie was trying to say.

Pro = why you should keep them together
Con = why you shouldn't keep them together

I do not understand where Kathy's posts mentions anything about why you should keep them together...Just ways to try and prevent problems if you do make the decision...

 

[Itsnowingcorns]

darkpbstar, true we can't

go into a snakes body and see what it is thinking

but we can notice things from observing their behaviour. I used to think housing together didn't cause problems with my snakes, but after seperating them about two or three weeks ago I have noticed very noticable changes. Monty, my amel hardly ever came out to tour around the viv, I have caught him cruising around several times since the split up. Pig, my snow didn't tour that much either, but is touring ALOT now, and isn't afriad to lie out in the open for long periods of time.
I'm now thinking seperating them was one of the best decisions I've made, not only for the snakes' well being, but for my own peace of mind too.

 

[oldhand]

Just ways to try and prevent problems if you do make the decision...

I know what your saying, and yes i do agree, its not really a pro is it (just re-read her post).

At the end of the day it's up to the indiviual weather to house together or appart, but for me it's not worth the risk.

Thats it for me i don't want world war 3 starting again lol, so i'll bow out now. I wont sue for having for having a differant opinion .(even though our thought are similar on this subject).

 

[oreo1700]

i grew my male and female together for more than a year but hybernated them apart and kept them apart utill a while after the eggs came. they were always following each other in the viv.

 

[darkpbstar]

maybe if my corns were always hiding I would have a different opinion, neither of them hide all the time, I find both of them lying out in the open, like last night, they were both lying on opposite sides of the hides in the open, but hey, this is my opinion, many people keep them together fine, like cornman, over 13 years or something, no problems.

 

[brownie55]

Actually...I've never read any good reason why you SHOULD keep them together. Just good reasons why you SHOULDN'T. That I believe, is what Brownie was trying to say.

Pro = why you should keep them together
Con = why you shouldn't keep them together

I do not understand where Kathy's posts mentions anything about why you should keep them together...Just ways to try and prevent problems if you do make the decision...

Thanks, that is exactly what I meant.