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How many corns per tank?

BMM

hmmm....good question

well I used to keep 1.2 corns (adults) in a 80 gallon cage. I never worried about actual floor space for their 'privacy' (hehe) but now I keep all mine seperate. The reason I do so is because of the horrific pics ive seen re:canibalism...YUK!

SO, if I were keeping 2-3 adults together I probably would stick to the length and make sure i had 4-5 hides that still allowed for free movement. It's a tough question.

I've always tried to think like a snake when i set up cages (which made it sooo hard to switch from aspen to newspaper)

I like the natural look, but that makes feeding hard when you have a lot of snakes and have to feed outside the cage. I always worry about them ingesting the substrate.

anyway, hope that answers your question

all just opinion and theory, I could be wrong
 
I agree

I think the 80 gallon you spoke of for three corns was more than enough room. :)

I personally wouldn't keep 1.2 corns like you had in anything less than a 50...jut because of the way my adults are. They move aroun a lot even if I dont see them, and they really mess their cages up so I can only wonder how it would be trying to get more than 1 corn in the cage size i have now. *L*

Another thing I have noticed is that I have done fine keeping hatchlings and yearlings in the space that most people recommend, and even smaller. But when it comes to my adults I find I need to give them more space than normally suggested...when people say a 20 gallon should be sufficient for one corn I can't believe it. My adults are huge and their crap (hide spots, water dish, etc)would FILL a 20 gallon when it comes to floor space, with little room left over. I find this makes my corns gain weight faster. I had my adult male snow in a smallish tank for awhile and he really put on some unwanted weight. They slow down growth so much they really need the extra space for exercise I feel. Even if its just the largest under the bed sterilite tub....

:) anyways just some wondering thoughts late at night.
bmm
 
ONLY ONE

NEVER MORE THAN ONE.


Even when i breed (next year).


both snakes will be placed in a specialy prepared tank with no hides orwaterbowls justpaper towel layed in bottom so as to spot any evidence of mating should i miss it.



STEVE.
 
I agree

I personally never house any species of snake together. But we were just discussing it for those who insist on it.

bmm
 
housing together

I have a question to throw out there. There is all the talk on size of this or amount of space and temps for that........what about if one snake gets ill? Not to say that they aren't well cared for, but what about something genetic, or just any illness? If they eat at the same time and one regurges, or ones poop is unhealthy looking????? I am just posing a few thoughts and in no way want to sound argumentative. I just felt like sharing. These very reasons are what made me decide to keep my babies seperate. Not to long ago I had our female motley get mites. Not mine in a house right next door. Thankfully I only had to treat one. My snakes are very healthy and well cared for but it happened anywho. I took preventative measures with the other but I was worried and upset about it, I hate bugs. What do you all think about these issues????
Hope everyone has a great holiday!:cool:
 
hi

heatherz70 you bring up some great points that I strongly agree with. Also points that made me decide to keep snakes alone when I got my second corn.

If one is sick with some sort of virus it will immediatly pass to the other snakes. Most times before the keeper even knows anything is going on, all their snakes have it. That point especially always makes me feel better knowing if one gets sick, it already has had no contact with my other snakes. Another reason why qaurenteen for new snakes is so important also.

Anyways just wanted to say good points you brought up I agree with your opinion on the situation of housing together or not.

bmm
 
I have to agree with bmm and heather. Sure you can get away with other things, but housing corns alone is simply the best way to go. Why not do what is best for thier health. It has not been proven that housing corns together improves their health, but it has been proven that it puts them at increased risk.
With my first ever pair of corns I was very uneducated (acutally I was educated with a lot of bad info from the pet store). I housed them together and lost my female to eggbinding because she became gravid too young.
Now I house most of my collection alone and definately no young females get housed with males.
Another problem is, lets say your animals ARE old enough to breed and you breed them. If you have your females in with your male, the male will constantly try to breed with them over and over. This will greatly stress a female who is already has a strain on her body to produce eggs. These gravid females can be "pushed over the edge" so easily. There is really no room for added stress.
Heather brought up an excellent point about illness. I currently tried keeping three yearling corns together in one inclosure and they did fine for about a month just real recently, someone regurged. And it wasn't a large one, it was done after most of the mouse was digested so I could not tell who it was by looking for a snake "without a lump". Now all three have to get the 10 day treatment. I am arranging things tomarrow to get them back by themselves. Don't get me wrong, I have had some adult females share enclosures (only 2 together at a time) and SOME of them do great. But some I have to house alone or they just don't do well.
So please consider these things a bit more carefully. I am not saying housing together is wrong, but it is my opinion that it is best to house them alone.
 
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I feel I need to post my opinion here because nobody else will. I think it depends entirely on the temperments of the individual snakes. I am not uneducated about this, I do have some years of experience with corns. I am not uncaring about my animals, I have many corns and I house 2 'pairs' together (0.2 and 2.0) and they are my "pet" corns, the ones I have more emotional attachment to than any others. Housing them together lets me see them more often (the others are all housed individually in racks). Housing them this way lets me give them more cage space and "toys" than they would get in the rack. One of these snakes is prone to respiratory infections, and he has this predisposition whether housed alone or with a cagemate, it has made no difference in his getting them or in his recovery time. Other than that, they have always been healthy, I've never had any problems with them. I am not saying it will always be ok to do this, I have some animals that are so high strung they would never do well with a cagemate. But these particular animals are fine together and I believe both they and I get benefits from the way they are housed, and it is my opinion that if you want to house corns together that you can as long as you have proper space, hides, heat etc. and the individual animals get along and are not stressed out by the company. Also I would never keep a male and female together for reasons that have already been discussed.

Just my opinion.
 
Elaphe_Mo said:
I have some animals that are so high strung they would never do well with a cagemate
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Yup, just decided that one of my corns isn't going to do well with cagemates. She has suddenly turned quite tempermental (in other words decided that my boyfriend looked like a decent meal!! :p ). I put this down to her being our newest member and was still settling in so was quite timid at first. Now she has told my boyfriend (and my dog and me) that she is a very ferocious little gal and she wants her own room so there :rolleyes: So she's got it. This is what I mean by using your own judgement. Some placid snakes can be fine together, others I guess can't. I'm glad someone else had the guts to post an opinion that goes against the grain!

As for housing females and males together, I have them together just now (female is of breeding size) but will be seperating them when I get new hatchlings...dont want teenage pregnancies!! ;)

ps must point out that my female has escaped so currently only 2 males together.
 
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I am

Offended you feel that my opinion is that snakes shouldnt be housed together because I want to "go with the grain" thats ridiculous, and childish if that was in fact why I don't.

I don't house snakes together because things go wrong more often than not and I am not risking my snakes because I am being to cheap to buy another tank or beccause I feel they look pretty together. Or for any other silly reason like "going with the grain"

My opinion has NOTHING to do with how others feel, it has to do with experience. And of course they will "get along" and some are less tempermental but that also has nothing to do with my choice and how they get along should have nothing to do with anyones choice when deciding to house together or not It has to do with sickness, feeding, habits and other factors. My choice is based on the simple facts that carol, heatherz70, and snakemanone have shared. The fact that something works and works well is the reason that people posted AGAINST housing them together. If they live together fine for you, thats nice. Great. They don't for me and they never will as I don't believe its right. Thats my opinion and it has nothing to do with the grain or what anyone else does. I'll stick with whats tried and true proven to work myself. It has nothing to do with "no one else posting their opinion"

And Rachel you have never said how you will prevent mating in your corns. And frankly that is one of the reasons I do not house together. I don't care if you answer or not, I am bringing it up as another reason I don't house together. Too early breeding. Elaphe_Mo houses pairs whihc is fine but you have juvienile snakes living togther. But just another reason I don't do it myself.

Anyways just wanted to clear up the fact that my opinion has nothing to do with what others opinion is and it never would.

bmm
 
ok i have a question i have a 2 foot corn and a hatchling i would say about 6 inches or so can they live togather or will sheba (the bigger one) eat the other one?
 
wheeler: I would never house 2 snakes together that weren't approximately the same size. They may not eat each other but they will almost certainly stress each other out.

bmm: I think Rachel's point was that few people had the guts to speak "against the grain", i.e. people who felt differently (as I do) were not speaking up, not that you were just saying what you said to go along with everybody else. Rachel can correct me if this is mistaken. bmm I do think your posts are a little harshly worded and condescending toward those of us who do something you don't approve of. I wanted to post to show others who may want to house two snakes together healthily that it is possible even if there are people who feel strongly that they shouldn't. Also to clarify I do not house pairs together and never would, regardless of age. I have 0.2 in one tank and 2.0 in the other.

It is my opinion that it is completely possible to house two snakes together and have them be perfectly healthy with no problems as long as all of their other needs are met.
 
well

My post may sound harsh, I am sorry. i love a good debate and thats all I feel this is.

If smiley faces will make it seem less harsh I will add them, but with or without them my opinion is still the same. I will try in the future to share it in a nicer way, although I don't see what the differance is as I haven't told anyone what to do with their pets, although I have shared my strong opinion on what I do with mine. I will word my posts differently in the future, although my answers will be the same.

Seriously though, I am not ever feeling "harsh" or mean, or upset about anyone post on here I make or anyone else makes. Its impossible to pass emotion over the internet, but I assure you my emotions are all about healthy debate and further discussion on all areas of snake husbandry. As I feel arguements are sometimes a great way to hash out what in fact are facts if you know what I mean. Of course if I was telling her she is a bad snake keeper and that everything about her posts is wrong, I would understand my being out of place. But I have simply stated my own opinion and also asked questions of hers. thats all.

But again I will try and word my posts differently if it will help get across that I am not mean or trying to be rude, just discussing.

bmm
 
Yes

And sorry I misrea, I thought that you had said pairs, not 2.0 or say 0.2

Either way I agree you are going about what you feel is right in the healthiest manner possible and I am glad I was wrong and you don't even keep adult pairs together, but do it by sex , I think thats a good choice. At the same time, I am trying to get across that certain aspects of keeping snakes together like keeping males and females together is not the healthiest way. I am sure thats not something I "don't approve of" but a basic rule in caring for young snakes. not letting them breed too early.

Sorry for the confusion (posted that you kept pairs)

bmm
 
Wow Mo! Your males don't fight during breeding season? You are lucky you can get away with that! They must be very kicked back males. What it all boils down too, is people will do what works for them. However, please apprieciate the advice given, I don't think anyone would like it if they had problems housing thier corns together and were never warned. I won't decide for anyone what is right for them, but I feel it is helpful to educate them on what could happen.
I mean what if Rachel said she was going to put in a young pair together and everyone said "ya, great, what ever works for you", and a few months later she loses her female to eggbinding. I bet she would wished we warned her instead of being grateful we all said "anything goes".
I am not saying housing together is wrong, but don't knock the people just trying to warn you of the dangers, I mean how do thier posts benifit them? I have lost a female because I was improperly educated, so I feel, since it was too late to save her, maybe by educating people on thier choices and posssible consequences, I could help save someone elses pet.
Just my .02 ;)
 
I think Carol expresses how most feel perfectly. Noone is telling anyone what to do but merely trying to give as much information and education to help make a wise decision that is right for them. As well as try to avoid a bad situation that could possibly happen later. Geeze my spelling is horrible.!
 
yes

Thank you! I am bad with words. I know this. I come off as rude sometimes...I know...I am trying but its hard for me to be cheesy and it seems any other way comes off as rude but anyways....

thats how I feel exactly....when someone is doing something that is either wrong, or even something that comes with serious concerns (housing togther) I tell them. It may be point blank which comes off as rude and condesending...but how many ways are there to say "this can happen" etc etc?? I am not the type to just say "oh thats great good luck doing it that way" when I know that something can go wrong (especially when housing males and females together, or something of the like. But anyways! blah blah. :)

bmm
 
Hey Bmm, I never meant to offend anyone but am quite offended that you say I am being childish. When I said cheers to Mo for 'going against the grain' I simply meant she dared to offer an opinion that wasn't shared by what seems the masses! I also agree with her that your posts are harshly worded and I doubt a smiley face will make me feel any better when you say I am being childish and cheap and that you don't care whether or not i answer a question. I simply offered an opinion, gave my reasons and am willing to admit when I'm wrong, which I have as I am now housing one seperately. As for breeding, my female has escaped so it's not really an issue just now ;) The other one is the one thats alone. The males are fine together but if any aggression is spotted I will be the first to admit I was wrong and I'll separate them. So far so good as they say so I'll keep them together.
As for egg binding, neither of my males have shown any interest in the opposite sex so far (hmm maybe they get on a bit to well with each other ;) ) but again it isn't an issue as my female is big enough to breed and I intend on breeding her. Oh and sorry, just realised the BMM has already apologised for his harshly worded posts...so sorry but just letting you know how I feel too.

Oh and Merry Christmas everyone! Me thinks this debate should end soon as I want to get into the festive mood :D

PS I did look into the pro's and cons of housing together before I decided what to do and made my own decision. Lets not forget that these posts are simply to give someone the pros and cons and they can then make up their own mind. There is no point reiterating ouselves over and over and getting offended with certain posts. I thought Rich told us to worry about bandwidth. So on that note can we agree to disagree??
 
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I personally think that everyone should pay closer attention...

...to what each other actually says. For example: I do not think bmm was calling you childish, Rachel. He specifically says, <b> I am offended you feel that my opinion is that snakes shouldn't be housed together because I want to "go with the grain" thats ridiculous, and childish if that was in fact why I don't.</b>

To me that is saying that it would be childish of <b><i>him</i></b> if his opinions were based on him simply going with the grain...if he simply didn't house them together because that's what everyone else does...not because it is usually the best thing for them.

Do you see what I am saying??? Everyone just needs to make sure what is actually being said <i>before</i> replying. I think it would save a lot of hurt/ill feelings.

Have a wonderful Christmas!!!:cool:
 
ooops yeah...didn't realise it could be taken that way. Sorry, (must remember to think before I speak!!) :eek:
 
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