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Kokopelli

Kokopelli

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It's really the early beginning for me but I would still like to hear your different opinions.

I currently have two baby cornsnakes, amelanistic and normal het for snow.

I would like to be able to produce as many morphs as I can in general- mostly Anery and its different varieties or anything unique and colorful.

Which genes should I be on the hunt for in order to have a decent variety?

pictures of the two snakes I already have.

Also, try to bear in mind that Israel is quite poor on morphs so the genes I will be able to get my hands on will probably be quite "basic".

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I am certainly no expert at all on genetics and breeding corns, but I believe with those 2 alone you may be able to produce snows as snows are both amel and anery, and you have both those hets. Looks from the pic as if you are keeping them in the same tank... be ready for some strong opinions on the matter from some people if you are haha!!
 
I am well aware of the issues with holding them in the same tank. They are being fed separately and when the time comes they will be separated completely.

would appreciate more input.
Thanks all.
 
Assuming your amel has no known hets, you cannot produce any anerys or snows from your two snakes. But you will produce amels and normals.

O.K., if you want mostly anery hatchlings, your amel wont help much. However, if you got a snow... that would probably give you the most "variety". If you paired you normal het amel/anery with a snow... you would get amels, anerys, snows, and normals het amel/anery. Also, if you paired a snow with your amel, you'd get amels het anery (snow)

If you wanted a little more anerys... try to find an anery het amel (snow). That would produce the same combinations as above with a few more anerys. Even just a regular anery would give you 50% anery hatchlings. A snow is a very common morph, reasonably priced, and hopefully easy for you to find in Israel. :wavey:
 
Also, if I want to broaden my horizons to the butter oriented snakes for instance...?
And Lavender?
 
With those two, you have:

Amel and Normal Het Amel, Anery

You didn't say what sex these two are, but assuming opposite, what you'd get out of them are:

25% Amel, no het
25% Amel het anery
25% Classic, het amel
25% Classic, het amel and anery (snow)

Visually, half would be Amel and half would be Classic.

Now, if you get a snow that you can breed your Classic to, you'd end up with:
25% Snow
25% Amel het anery
25% Anery het Amel
25% Classic het amel and anery (snow)

This way, you'd get 4 different "looks"

If you mated your Amel with a snow, you'd get:
100% Amel, het anery (one "look")

So, since you said that you want as much variety from an easier to find morph, given the limited availability in Isreal, I'd recommend getting a snow to mate with your classic (or normal, same thing). At least that way, you'd get 4 different 'looks' from a good sized clutch.

If you can find more interesting morphs, you'd have to 'run the numbers' to see what'd you get with the two you already have. Have fun!
 
The Amel is an offspring of a snow and albino parents.
The het is of a normal and snow--> does this mean he has anery+amel? or only one of them?
 
If I understand correctly:

the normal is supposed to be het for anery or amel, no? how do I know which?
only by breeding?

Just making sure I got it right:

Red albino- Amel+Amel
Snow- Amel+Anery
 
Kokopelli said:
The Amel is an offspring of a snow and albino parents.
The het is of a normal and snow--> does this mean he has anery+amel? or only one of them?
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I would highly recommend getting one the most recent corn snake care books. You should easily be able to pick one up online. The two most popular are: one written by Don Soderberg, the other written by Bill & Kathy Love. Also do a search the Corn Snake Morph guide by Charles Pritzel. Just read them over, and over, and over again... you'll feel much better about the genetic make-up of many of these morphs. The more you know when you feel you're ready to breed your snakes... the better!

To answer your question, the appearance of a snow is due to the fact that when amel and anery are paired together at the same locus... these two genes are co-dominant. Amel x Snow (amel/anery) produces all amels since both parents share the amel gene. However then, the babies are now het for anery since one of the parents co-dominant genes was anery.

And normal x snow (amel/anery) produces all normals since only one of the parents had amel & anery genes. Again though, the babies then inherit the amel & anery gene from the snow parent... which is what you have. I hope some of this makes sense for you... always glad to help! :)
 
So... correct me if I am wrong here, but it is possible that these two will produce Anery, Snow, Amel and normal phases?

If I understood your explanation.

Please bear patience, this isn't a native tongue for me... and though I consider my English fair. It's not quite that easy to link biological terms from English to Hebrew and understanding all the herp terms.

I will certainly look into that guide.

Any further assistance will be greatly appreciated
 
No problem about the language... since you changed the genetics of your two while I was writing my original post, let me redo it again (disregard the first reply from me!).


With those two, you have:

Amel Het Anery and Normal Het Amel, Anery

You didn't say what sex these two are, but assuming opposite, what you'd get out of them are:

25% Amel, het anery
25% Classic/Normal, het amel and anery (snow)
12.5% Snow (which is both amel and anery)
12.5% Anery, het amel
12.5% Amel, no nets
12.5% Classic/Normal, het for amel

Visually:
37.5% would be Amel 66% of them het for anery
12.5% would be Snow
12.5% would be Anery
37.5% would be classic, ALL het for amel, but only some het for anery as well.

Four "Looks"

Now, if you get a snow that you can breed your Classic to, you'd end up with:
25% Snow
25% Amel het anery
25% Anery het Amel
25% Classic het amel and anery (snow)

Four "looks" too, but different mix (more anery, which you said you like)

You could then keep back some of the babies (say the anery ones, since you like them - me too) and mix and match and get various combinations of snow, amel, anery and classics (or eliminate one or more 'looks' altogether) in subsequent generations.

I'm supposed to be working (don't tell!) so I won't get into the lavander question...
 
You guys are great! thank you for all the patience. I know it can be a pain to bridge over the language gap.

Okay great, I am simply pleased that I may have all four looks from this pair. I am quite likely to get more corns later on... probably a snow, as these are common.

However, I would like to eventually be able to create silver queens, opals, bloodreds and all sorts.

I am barely scratching the surface here but corns are really sweet and I like them alot... so I can see myself really investing in breeding...

This year I will be breeding my Mexicana Kings... hope that goes well.

My main -current- questions are:( I -know- I am annoying :santa: )

1- How does one go about creating a type B Anery?
2- Same for lavenders
3- same for bloodreds
4- same for carmels

I promise lots of nice people will benefit from this information in the long term :)

Thank you all once again, sadly it's not so easy for me to order books from abroad and such. I might in the future. But it ain't cheap due to customs and such
 
If the normal and amel are of a different gender, then when you breed them, you will get:
25% normal (het amel and het anery)
25% Amel (het anery)
25% anery (het amel)
25% Snow

If you do not know the genders, find out a way to figure it out. Thats the most important thing. If you have two males, I would recommend getting some snow or anery females. If you have two females get a snow male. If you have a pair, I would get a snow female. Any offspring produced would either be normal, amel, anery, or a snow.
 
They will be probed when they reach the proper age. By tail and cloaca comparisons the normal is male, the amel's a female.
Naturally I will be checking to be sure.

Classic and (AmelXAney) versus (AmelXAmel) and (AmelXAnery)

the options I see are
Classic het for Anery and amel
Classic het for amel
snow { (amelXanery) and (AmelXAnery)}
Amel {(AmelXAnery) and (AmelXAmel)}

What combination can create an anery if in both cases the allal is AmelXAnery and not Anery on it's own?

I know I have tons of questions here... if you can, answer... I really won't hold it against anyone if you don't...
 
mike17l said:
If the normal and amel are of a different gender, then when you breed them, you will get:
25% normal (het amel and het anery)
25% Amel (het anery)
25% anery (het amel)
25% Snow
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That's what you'd get if the normal was anery het amel. 25% across the board. Since the normal is only het for both anery and amel, the odds go down and aren't even.
 
makes sense.
How are the anery created? by what combination of these genes?
Also, if anyone can answer about the other morphs.

Thank you all again!
 
Kokopelli said:
makes sense.
How are the anery created? by what combination of these genes?
Also, if anyone can answer about the other morphs.

Thank you all again!
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Anery is not a combination of genes, it's just that the snake has to have the gene passed down from both parents in order for it to show up visually. Otherwise, the "Wild Type" gene would dominate and the offspring would have the reds and oranges that are found in Normal/Classic snakes.

Think of Anery as 'getting the red out' and Amel as 'getting the black out.' Just Anery gets you a more black snake with no reds. Just Amel gets you a more red snake with no black. If you have both, then you got a snow.

Check out http://www.pitt.edu/~mcs2/herp/genetics.html for a more detailed explaination. This one http://www.serpwidgets.com/Genetics/genetics.html is even better.
 
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