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How to produce Jungle Corns?

zeewhiz

zeewhiz

Call me Matt...
Hey Guys and Gals,

I'm coming up on my fourth year of breeding corns, and I just acquired an adult female Cali king. I also have an adult male Ghost corn that will sometimes try to breed my arm when I hold him... I'm thinking that as long as she's willing, he'll do just fine.

However, if things arent successful, do any of you that have produced Jungles in the past have any hints/tips/tricks for me to get them to hook up?

Oh yeah, another interesting question that a buddy of mine thought of... for those of you that produced Jungles, have you ever noticed them inheriting the "cannibalism" trait from the Cali King side of the gene pool?

Thanks in advance,

Matt
 
Just so you are prepared, asking this type of question regarding the breeding of different species is likely to open a can of worms with vehement opinions on both sides.

That said, from what I understand, it is easier if you make sure the female king has eaten recently (maybe a day or two before) so she's not as interested in her potential mate as a meal. I would also make sure she's as ready as possible, ovulation wise. There are some tricks, like covering her head with a toilet paper tube so she can't eat her mate, but whether its safe or successful, I don't know.

I'm a believer that some different species will voluntarily cross breed, and if not, I'm not going to force the issue. It's up to you. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the reply, and I'm fully aware of how some people will respond about the potential production of hybrids, but thanks.

Oh, and as far as where I stand on hybridization: It's a hobby, and we should breed what we like, regardless of what other people think. As long as we sell our animals fully labeled as to what they are, and not try to pass something off as something that it isn't, we have taken the responsibility to our fullest. But again thats just my opinion, take it for what you paid for it, lol.

Thanks for the TP tube idea. Any others?
 
I've done this before. Unfortunately my female slugged out. :crying:

That said, from what I understand, it is easier if you make sure the female king has eaten recently (maybe a day or two before) so she's not as interested in her potential mate as a meal. I would also make sure she's as ready as possible, ovulation wise. There are some tricks, like covering her head with a toilet paper tube so she can't eat her mate, but whether its safe or successful, I don't know.
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Most of this is true to and extent. There are tricks to doing this and being safe. Feeding the female is a very very good idea. But do it about 20 minutes before you add the cornsnake. It's also a good idea to get the male worked up. Put him with a female corn and let him get a good chase going. When it looks like he might be just about to "get her" pull him out and quickly toss him with the king. He wont notice you changed females and will proceed to chase the king, if she is ready to breed. Keep a very close eye on them, I'm sure you already know that and why. I tried a couple of the tricks with putting the kings head in tubes or using tape, all it did was freak them out and no breeding happened. Good luck and I'd love to see pics of the potential couple.
 
On another forum someone was working with artificial insemination and had pretty darn good results with that for a corn/corn breeding. So this is what I am going to try to do as an experiment for making hybrids.

During breeding season I always breed in clean tubs no substrate so the er... spillage is right there for the taking. When breeding season is in full swing I sometimes get up to 9 hookups a night which leave LOTS of spillage. So this will get sucked up in "ye olde sterile syringe" for my own attempts at making some jungle corns.

At least this is the plan, my luck the female I want to work with this year will not be willing to do her part! lol! This year I hope for jungle corns and in a year or two I'd like to see if it will work with my emoryii female for some creamsicles.

I'm not going to go big into hybridizing at all, and will CLEARLY mark all hybrids I produce. My reasons for wanting to attempt these crosses are the large number of clients I have asking me for jungles, sinacorns, creams, etc as well as a general scientific curiousity I have for the project of learning about artificial insemination in corns...

On another note, some old long time hobbyist told me in the old days one of the methods for making hybrids involved creating an "orgy" session and putting scotch tape over the vents of all the females you didn't want bred?!!?!? Was he pulling my leg or?!?!?! I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! Not something I would ever try!

Good luck with your attempts! Perhaps take pictures and keep us all updated with the methods you used and if they worked or not?

Rebecca
 
This should really be in the general forum.. However, if you look around, your likely to find Jungles for about $25...Good luck..
 
Jungle corns... lol i used to produce these couple years back. here are some pics so you can see what you might expect as hatchlings!
 

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Not really i used the same breeding procedures as you would with cornsnakes. My female king was not really vicious, she was a jungle herself so she wasnt all King. She was an angry snake though didnt want to be touched at all and would musk me every time i would try to pick her up. I had to sell her lol.
 
Just curious, did you find the clutch sizes of a jungle to jungle breeding or a jungle to ANYTHING to be much smaller than pure corn clutches? What were your averages for clutch size.

Rebecca..

ps - Tim, sure wish jungles were up here for $25 ;) lol! <edited after I reread intial post, but the comment still stands>
 
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Tim, sure wish jungles were up here for $25 ;) lol! <edited after I reread intial post, but the comment still stands>
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They are over priced at $25 IMHO.. Hate to say it, but these are ones I wish the name corn was never associated with.. But no one in this thread really wants to here me complain about these critters..
 
TandJ said:
They are over priced at $25 IMHO.. Hate to say it, but these are ones I wish the name corn was never associated with.. But no one in this thread really wants to here me complain about these critters..
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Why is that? I mean, I feel pretty strongly that I want to know if I am buying a hybrid. I don't want to accidentally mix other things in with corn snakes in my future breeding hopes & plans. But as long as the word "jungle" remains firmly attached to them, so that the potential buyer knows, why shouldn't they be called "jungle corns"?

I think I'll pass on buying them though, for now, because there are way too many corn snake morphs I want.:grin01:
 
Some people have no problem calling Cream(s) , Creamsicle Corns.. I do, for the exact same reason about Jungle Corns.. With the addition of corn to the name some people ( this is the same reason for warning labels on hot coffee, because its hot ) assume because corn is attached to the name, it must be pure corn.. Granted most people in the hobby the know what a jungle corn is, but there is enough stuipid people in the hobby too that wouldn't know any different and continue to bred it into corn stock and sell off the babys as pure corn, thus infestation of the Cali King genetics into the CB corn groups all over the place..

Believe me, from what you posted, we are on the same page..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
On the subject of hybrids and intergrades...


And then there are Ultramel corns...

Two lines, one bred into grey rats, one into corns.
What happened to the ones that are from the grey rat line? EVERYONE seems to claim theirs are pure corn... so where did the offspring from the grey rat line go?

At least when Creamsicle or Jungle IS used, it's recognized, by those in the know. How many Ultramels are out there, that SHOULD actually be called "Frosted" Ultramels, that aren't because they don't have as catchy of a name?
 
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