Vinman
Vinman
I would have to dissagree about the testing. They were able to tell and to what degree of bull snake i in most La. pines and were able to tell wich ones were pure La pines . They did this with CB and WC . I know that there is only a small population on pure La pines in the range of the speacies. Most of the range of La pine are intergrads with bull in all diffrent degress
I think it is that most of the breeders with ultra are affraid to find out that there is gray rat in there corns. The fact is that if you did DNA testing you would find out that a lot of wild corns have some rat snake in their lineage.
As far as a unrelated line of ultras , please that is too funny. What did you think that no hets were ever sold into the hobby by the three dudes in question. The ultra gene has been around long before you and me knew anything about. It was here for years. They had been breeding these snakes for many years. All those animals they produced and you got a unrealted line .What is more of the case is your anr most likely animals that were desendants from their early breeding projects that were sold into the hobby. It is no big deal the fact remaims that this gene came from 3 people that were shifty. They change their story , you cant get a strait answer from any of the three. after all this conterversy on tis forum and other . You would think if it did not come off a gray rat or a wild intergrade someone would have wanted the credit in their name for finding a new corn snake gene/morph. It is just common sence to figure it out . You dont have to be a rocket sicentist to come up with the right answer. :dancer: Crossbred
Now the peach peach thing . Just to rehash. R.humre got his adults off me as babies. I did the orginal cross with the HLB to the amber. I was the one that got the mixed clutch that should have been all hypos. I have been telling you and everyone else that I almost sure that there 2 hypo genes at work . It is funny that another breeder on this fourm did a simular cross and their animals dont look anything like Rich H/my stock. See I also have the orginal hypo from the HLB line. No one else does except Rich Z. I sold him my breeder HLB male. and cornmorphs . Nige bought a adult blood multi that is the son of the HLB. I crossed him to the hypo female and got normal bloods and hypo bloods. So I know that they are carring the same hypo gene. I can do the test breedings and have been doing so. This year I'm breeding a mystery HLB to that hypo female to see what I get . You know with your breeding you crossed a charcoal ghost mystery to a amber ( I dont know if the amber was mystery stock) and did not get any hypo morphs.
I can give a rats ass what most people oppions are of me im this hobby and the forum, because most people are of avge, intellangence. Very few people in this hobby are above the norm and it is a true reflection of the general population. Most people you meet in the world are liers, and are 2 faced. Even though I cant spell very well because I goffed off in school. I may be a little crazy but have a higher sence of interlect verbilely over most of the GP in the world. That seams to be the case with most very smart people difficent in one place and above avrage in another. like my Dislexica
I think it is that most of the breeders with ultra are affraid to find out that there is gray rat in there corns. The fact is that if you did DNA testing you would find out that a lot of wild corns have some rat snake in their lineage.
As far as a unrelated line of ultras , please that is too funny. What did you think that no hets were ever sold into the hobby by the three dudes in question. The ultra gene has been around long before you and me knew anything about. It was here for years. They had been breeding these snakes for many years. All those animals they produced and you got a unrealted line .What is more of the case is your anr most likely animals that were desendants from their early breeding projects that were sold into the hobby. It is no big deal the fact remaims that this gene came from 3 people that were shifty. They change their story , you cant get a strait answer from any of the three. after all this conterversy on tis forum and other . You would think if it did not come off a gray rat or a wild intergrade someone would have wanted the credit in their name for finding a new corn snake gene/morph. It is just common sence to figure it out . You dont have to be a rocket sicentist to come up with the right answer. :dancer: Crossbred
Now the peach peach thing . Just to rehash. R.humre got his adults off me as babies. I did the orginal cross with the HLB to the amber. I was the one that got the mixed clutch that should have been all hypos. I have been telling you and everyone else that I almost sure that there 2 hypo genes at work . It is funny that another breeder on this fourm did a simular cross and their animals dont look anything like Rich H/my stock. See I also have the orginal hypo from the HLB line. No one else does except Rich Z. I sold him my breeder HLB male. and cornmorphs . Nige bought a adult blood multi that is the son of the HLB. I crossed him to the hypo female and got normal bloods and hypo bloods. So I know that they are carring the same hypo gene. I can do the test breedings and have been doing so. This year I'm breeding a mystery HLB to that hypo female to see what I get . You know with your breeding you crossed a charcoal ghost mystery to a amber ( I dont know if the amber was mystery stock) and did not get any hypo morphs.
I can give a rats ass what most people oppions are of me im this hobby and the forum, because most people are of avge, intellangence. Very few people in this hobby are above the norm and it is a true reflection of the general population. Most people you meet in the world are liers, and are 2 faced. Even though I cant spell very well because I goffed off in school. I may be a little crazy but have a higher sence of interlect verbilely over most of the GP in the world. That seams to be the case with most very smart people difficent in one place and above avrage in another. like my Dislexica
) and bingo ultras pop up and cant be traced to the 3 so it must be unrealted stock right,Fooy that's a bunch of bull . The only way you would have a leg to stand on if your ultras came from breeding 2 Wc, breeding 2 F1 sibs, or someone was working with all ther stock traced back to WC with no hobby stock added into the stock and a ultra poped out. My stock have been sold all over this country, weather wholesale, retail and jobber. I have know idea who may have my stock with all the Breeding, buying, sell, and trading that goes on in the hobby in many different leavles . It is impossibile to trace all of there stock back to the 3 breeders where the ultra gene came from. Yea, like if I get motleys out of some normal hobbystyock corns that I had no idea that they were het for motley, I guess they are unrealted to all the other motleys in the hobby according to you guys. Look the whole thing in a nut shell is your trying to doge all the flack and drama associated with the ultras. I aint buying it , either is anyone that has a good head on there shoulders. I'm not being mean just blunt and truthful. I truly think you are nice people and have some great looking animals ,never heard anything bad about either of you. I would have no problen refuring someone to buy animals off you guys
