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I did something bad...

well im not sure if the fuzzies were dethawed with the one eaten, i also dont know how hot jersey gets but i would classify a thawed pinkie thats been out for 10 hours as carrion or at the very least dangerous
 
rekn said:
snakes dont eat carrion,
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That's a very bold and precise statement. I happen to disagree with you. I would think that any wild creature is an opportunistic feeder. Hungry for long enough, I would think they will eat the first thing that comes along . . . or in the case of """carrion""" the first thing they come across. What is your logic (or proof) that they don't?

would you eat it?
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Buzzards do, hyenas do, bears do, wolves do, eagles do, that's just off the top of my head. If I was hungry enough, I probably would too.

I don't think a re-frozen pinky or fuzzy would be considered carrion . . . even after 10 hours depending on the temp it reached. The ultimate test would be to re-thaw the fuzzy, offer it to the snake, and see what happens. No harm, no foul.

I still go back to my original comments above which weren't really adressed:
Out of curiousity . . . why is this bad? I would think it would digest easier. I would think it would contain the same amount of nutrients, etc.? Do buzzards freeze their decomposing meals? How's about bears that bury a kill and come back weeks, months later? How's about snakes? Do they eat recently killed meals all the time? I wonder if a hungry snake that comes across a roadkill (or otherwise dead) rodent wouldn't give it a go?
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But that's okay! :shrugs: I'd like to tack on one other statement if that's okay . . . Someone mentioned HIDEOUSLY high vet bills . . .from feeding a re-frozen mouse? I'm confused? :)

D80
 
well the fuzzies have been thrown out...I'm taking the thought of "better safe then sorry"...Maize was my first corn and although I do love both my snakes dearly...She is my baby and my life :0)
 
rekn said:
or at the very least dangerous
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Just saw this . . . How? and/or Why? dangerous?

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not continuing this discussion because I intentionally thaw out my feeders and re-freeze them. I also agree and realize that there would be no benefit of engaging in such an act. I also agree and realize that we want to provide the best environment we can for our charges . . . BUT, all things considered, why would re-freezing a thawed meal be dangerous to the snake? Especially when you consider all of the multitude of meals that any given animal can and will eat . . . and it doesn't kill them at the worst or make them ill at the least. Heck, watch an episode or two of Fear Factor.

D80
 
Brent is very right here. Snakes have been documented eating carrion. Various species eating various long dead roadkill has been documented. Google it maybe? But anyhow, the main thing stopping me would be the smell! I've had a baby corn that didn't eat it's pinkie, but on the second day for whatever reason it started to eat right before I cleaned out it's deli cup. So apparently it isn't just older snakes that will take an opportunity. Funny how that baby had previous to that meal been a nonfeeder...
 
Drizzt80 said:
I still go back to my original comments above which weren't really adressed:But that's okay! :shrugs: I'd like to tack on one other statement if that's okay . . . Someone mentioned HIDEOUSLY high vet bills . . .from feeding a re-frozen mouse? I'm confused? :)

D80
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I honestly think that some humans apply to their pets what they apply to themselves. Me, if it smells bad to me and I wouldn't eat then I wouldn't feed it to my dogs. I have a tendency to forget that animals digestive systems are not as, for a lack of a better word, delicate as mine. Heck, my dogs will eat vomit and wag their tails for more and not get sick. It's all how human owners think. I would not eat carrion, i.e., road kill - the bacteria would destroy my insides. But animals can eat it without any problems. Refreezing and rethawing a pinkie, fuzzy, whatever, does not come close to carrion.
 
hmmm, well maybe not refreezing but what about a warm mouse out for 10hrs?



im also sure that humans have a more adaptable stomach than snakes.
 
FWIW....
On many, many occasions I have fed half my colony one night and before defrosting for the other half the next morning I've gone and looked for uneaten food to pass on to the others before getting a head count of how many mice are needed. In the hatchling season I often feed my fussy feeders the evening before I feed the rest of them so all those refused meals don't go to waste. I've never ever had a problem come of it. :shrugs:
 
carol said:
FWIW....
On many, many occasions I have fed half my colony one night and before defrosting for the other half the next morning I've gone and looked for uneaten food to pass on to the others before getting a head count of how many mice are needed. In the hatchling season I often feed my fussy feeders the evening before I feed the rest of them so all those refused meals don't go to waste. I've never ever had a problem come of it. :shrugs:
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Ooooh! I had actually forgotten about that technique!! . . . too removed from hatchling season right now! But yes, I have also taken a refused meal the next morning or later that day and fed it to a different snake and had it consumed. Thanks for the reminder on that one carol!

D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
Ooooh! I had actually forgotten about that technique!! . . . too removed from hatchling season right now! But yes, I have also taken a refused meal the next morning or later that day and fed it to a different snake and had it consumed. Thanks for the reminder on that one carol!

D80
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Heh, no problem.... I'm at the edge of a hatchling storm... About 80 on the ground and that should more than double in the next week. :crazy02:
 
Drizzt80 said:
... I have also taken a refused meal the next morning or later that day and fed it to a different snake and had it consumed. Thanks for the reminder on that one carol!
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Wow, I hope that's not a problem or I have three kingsnakes that are doomed! If we have a reluctant eater at dinner time, we "plate and crate" overnight. Leftovers the next morning go to whichever kingsnake is able to handle the meal.
 
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