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- Thread starter Trevor
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f/t are cheaper, and are not harmfull. are pinkie when live they have no nail or teeth but when your feeding a yearling or older live, the size of the pray for them is dangerous, live can scare, dig out a eye or make you snake afraid which will lead him/her to die of starvation. also live mice can have parisite and not be heathy, so just go with f/t
DdotSpot
The Snewbie
hediki said:
lol, surely not.
Have you ever been afraid of a hamburger? This isn't a threatening animal to the snake...its FOOD :licklips:
I put my mouse in the viv with Cotton Ball and say, 'May the best one win'. Hey if the mouse triumphs over Cotton Ball, more power to him(Thats not saying that I would put a bigger mouse than Cotton Ball could handle by any means).
If the little mouse scares the crap outta Cotton Ball, I'm keeping the mouse for a pet.
Seriously though... :eats02:
Mangrove said:
its just safer to not put ur snake at risk of attack, when the snake is a baby the food you feed it isnt dangerous live but when feeding adult mice the can harm your snake. in the wild they do eat live rodent, also in the wild there substate is dirt leaves and other stuff does that make it ok to trow dirt in ur viv?, no because we know dirt houses parasite and bacteria and is hard as hell to clean
Sisuitl
I dig'em!
The snakes don't seem to care much either way if they get live or dead food. Personally, I prefer dead for the following reasons:
1. It's a lot cheaper to buy a whole bunch of dead rodents at once and freeze them for later use (i.e. the pet store wanted $2.50 each for live pinks!! At that price it would cost me $25 a week to feed my animals, which comes out to $1300 a year to feed 5 '04 corns and one garter *if* they eat at the same rate as they grow, which they wont). I bought them online frozen for $0.17 each.)
2. It's a lot more convenient to have a ton of dead rodents handy...I don't have to worry about the local food supply disapearing for whatever reason.
3. The rodents bred by a lot of pro feeders are taken special care of to make sure their rodents are gut loaded with nutritional goodness before killing and freezing.
4. I feel that it is more humane to the mice to be humanely euthanized instead of bitten and squeezed to death by a large frightening preadator.
5. Frightened or hungry rodents have very sharp teeth. They've broken my skin before. Rats will eat meat. I've seen really horrible pictures of snakes that weren't hungry when their food was put in, so the mouse/rat/gerbil attacked the snake, sometimes even killed and ate it. Some of these pictures were of large ball pythons, where the rodent was tiny in comparison. In a lot of the pics they had chewed on the snake to where the spine was exposed.
6. Lessens the risk of disease and parasite transmission. This is less of a problem if you raise your own.
7. Live rodents stink. I'd much rather have someone else raise them, change their bedding all the time and buy them food.
Personally, I can't think of much benefit to feeding live....Some hatchlings don't know how to eat dead at first....I suppose it might be more convenient for some people. Anyway, you asked so here's my answer.
1. It's a lot cheaper to buy a whole bunch of dead rodents at once and freeze them for later use (i.e. the pet store wanted $2.50 each for live pinks!! At that price it would cost me $25 a week to feed my animals, which comes out to $1300 a year to feed 5 '04 corns and one garter *if* they eat at the same rate as they grow, which they wont). I bought them online frozen for $0.17 each.)
2. It's a lot more convenient to have a ton of dead rodents handy...I don't have to worry about the local food supply disapearing for whatever reason.
3. The rodents bred by a lot of pro feeders are taken special care of to make sure their rodents are gut loaded with nutritional goodness before killing and freezing.
4. I feel that it is more humane to the mice to be humanely euthanized instead of bitten and squeezed to death by a large frightening preadator.
5. Frightened or hungry rodents have very sharp teeth. They've broken my skin before. Rats will eat meat. I've seen really horrible pictures of snakes that weren't hungry when their food was put in, so the mouse/rat/gerbil attacked the snake, sometimes even killed and ate it. Some of these pictures were of large ball pythons, where the rodent was tiny in comparison. In a lot of the pics they had chewed on the snake to where the spine was exposed.
6. Lessens the risk of disease and parasite transmission. This is less of a problem if you raise your own.
7. Live rodents stink. I'd much rather have someone else raise them, change their bedding all the time and buy them food.
Personally, I can't think of much benefit to feeding live....Some hatchlings don't know how to eat dead at first....I suppose it might be more convenient for some people. Anyway, you asked so here's my answer.
Mangrove
Corns_will_rule_the_world
Wow, thanks you for your quick and very informational response.
I have been purchasing my Pinkies and Fuzzies $1.19 a piece, which I thought was not too bad, but with the information you have equipped me with I don’t really think I can argue with not feeding frozen mice.
Thanks again,
Mangrove
I have been purchasing my Pinkies and Fuzzies $1.19 a piece, which I thought was not too bad, but with the information you have equipped me with I don’t really think I can argue with not feeding frozen mice.
Thanks again,
Mangrove
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
It is much simpler than all that
Wild snakes hunt when they are hungry. They will instantly strike and constrict a live rodent that happens to cross their path. However in captivity, snakes get offered food on a schedule that may not necessarily coincide with when the snake is hungry. If the snake isn't hungry, it is likely to simple ignore the rodent. Unfortunately, a live rodent in a enclosed area with nowhere to run can essentially fight to the death with the snake. If the snake wins, the resulting scars from bites, scratches or other wounds can be unsightly an unhealthy.
Wild snakes hunt when they are hungry. They will instantly strike and constrict a live rodent that happens to cross their path. However in captivity, snakes get offered food on a schedule that may not necessarily coincide with when the snake is hungry. If the snake isn't hungry, it is likely to simple ignore the rodent. Unfortunately, a live rodent in a enclosed area with nowhere to run can essentially fight to the death with the snake. If the snake wins, the resulting scars from bites, scratches or other wounds can be unsightly an unhealthy.
KRIZ
New member
Does anybody have any links to pics etc and info of this kind of thing happening. Because i have heard all about it, but i cannot imagine a tiny rodent injuring of even killing its predator. I have never fed silas live and dont ever intend to so i am not exactly going to experience it first hand.Sisuitl said:
Any links etc would be gr8
Sisuitl
I dig'em!
Here is an article on anapsid with some pics. http://www.anapsid.org/ratbites.html I remember some others, I'll keep looking for them.
heres a pic of a BP that got messed up by a mice http://www.proexotics.com/graphics/ball_python_live_prey_1.jpg
just imagine wat it can do to a corn if it did that to a ball python :twoguns:
just imagine wat it can do to a corn if it did that to a ball python :twoguns:
dionythicus
Kiss My Hearse
I have a cali king that won't go anywhere near live mice because he's been bitten while constricting.
I also now have a pet rat that, as a baby mind you, stared down our creamsicle 3 times - nose to nose - and the snake backed off. The rat never attacked or tried to bite, the staring contest was enough.
I also now have a pet rat that, as a baby mind you, stared down our creamsicle 3 times - nose to nose - and the snake backed off. The rat never attacked or tried to bite, the staring contest was enough.
Mangrove
Corns_will_rule_the_world
I agree completely that a mouse can injure your snake, but it wont be to that extreme with a pinkey or a fuzzy. And even then if your snake is rejecting its food and you have to leave it in its tank I think that is just one of the side affects. If your snake is hungry when eating a live mouse I do not believe that the extent of the damage would be that bad.
When you leave a mouse in the tank shouldn’t you leave some food and a sponge in it so the mouse wont attack the snake. I believe that those people didn’t know what they were doing and those injuries wouldn’t have ever happened if taken the correct precautions.
I also believe that one great way to get around that is feeding frozen mice, but I mean if you had doubts about feeding live I think that will keep you from!!
uke01:
When you leave a mouse in the tank shouldn’t you leave some food and a sponge in it so the mouse wont attack the snake. I believe that those people didn’t know what they were doing and those injuries wouldn’t have ever happened if taken the correct precautions.
I also believe that one great way to get around that is feeding frozen mice, but I mean if you had doubts about feeding live I think that will keep you from!!
uke01:Actually I thought that ball python pic was done by a rat..I like to give my snakes an occasional live animal..I just gave some of my snakes some nice fat crawler rats, I had a litter I needed to thin out and these little guys were sooo fat..I have two snakes that I dont feed live ever too. I have a ball python thats scared to death of live food so I dont even bother, and I dont give the Boa live food ever..Of course I do supervise all live feeding if its an older mouse or rat.And like I said its only on occasion, maybe once every two months...I guess I feel it just gives them some variety and a change of pace, also freezing does kill some essential vitamins.
Although I would never for any reason leave a live animal in with any of my snakes (except pinkies or fuzzies)....
Although I would never for any reason leave a live animal in with any of my snakes (except pinkies or fuzzies)....