I'm sorry, I had to put this up..

[Maize411]

I was looking up music videos on YouTube.com when I came across a video about "Lolita, The killer whale"...Upon doing more research on her heartbreaking life story, I sent them a 20 dollar donation. Please look at this for yourselves..I'm not saying to make any donations. Only do that if that is what you want to do. But this story killed me and literally did make me cry..(I can't help it..I'm a very emotional person)..

http://www.miamiseaprison.com/lolita.htm

 

[antsterr]

I'm not going to say anything on the situation. Support seeing whales free or support caging them in sardine cans, I don't care. This article pisses me off.

It accredits human emotions, relations and social needs to an animal. It uses the word family and kidnap. I understand that these people miami sea prison .com are trying to convince people, but if you can't just tell me how it is rather than throwing some heart breaking manipulation in to it you need to make a stronger case before you bring you're message to the masses. They quote people who are not experts, they give one persons recollection as historical fact and quote more "historical fact" with no sources given. They also don't say what they propose to do about it.

Anyway, I have no feelings on the actual case at hand because I don't feel that article accurately or adequately informed me of anything. I believe in good treatment of animals but I also believe that capturing wild animals for pets, education, entertainment and food is acceptable if the animals are treated with respect and care.

 

[texastailfeathers]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to antsterr again.

I'm not going to say anything on the situation. Support seeing whales free or support caging them in sardine cans, I don't care. This article pisses me off.

I totally agree. That article represents predatory ARF (animal rights fanatics) propaganda at its best.

 

[mommyof2]

That is SO sad!!! I agree that they didn't have to say it in a way that gives them human emotion(think about it, when we sell off baby captive animals, you're really "taking them away from their family" and all that too).

I also agree that the capturing of wild animals is acceptable as long as the animal is treated with care and respect. I don't think this whale has been though. It'd be like us keeping our snakes in something a little larger than the deli dishes they came in to live out their whole lives and putting them on display in our front yard like that. I think that is wrong.

How they were captured, tragic as it was that they lost so many, it's just one of the risks of capturing a wild animal IMO.

 

[tyflier]

I am in full agreement with Ansterr. The article makes no effort to educate or inform, only to insight emotional responses. There isn't a single shred of "fact" in the entire thing...only opinion and anthropomorphism. Quite silly, really.

Places like SeaWorld and Seaquarium, and what have you...they need animals. How else would one expect that these animals would be captured? Is there not stress involved in EVERY case of wild animal capture for entertainment, education or the pet trade?

The simple fact is...at the time of capture, what was being done was perfectly legal.

As far as the deli cup analogy...doubt it. The tank is big enough for the whale to perform tricks including aerial maneuvres, "racing" around the edge, and all other manner of tricks. It is more akin to keeping a full adult corn snake in a 20L aquarium, not a deli cup...

 

[Maize411]

I truely wish you guys would look into it before setting your opinions about it...I put that site up because I thought it was most to the point...I looked into it much deeper though before I posted it up...This isn't just opinion of people..Wikipedia has an article about this whale, several animal rescue foundations are fighting for an attempt to save the whale. Everything mentioned is fact..They showed photos of how they killed her family and sunk them to the bottom of the sea by tying ancres to their tails, they showed video clips and photos of the shape the tank she lives in was in. I only put this up to make people aware of the situation and if they so chose to, to look deeper into it and then decide whether it was something they would like to help with or not...I did not however put this up for it to be the whole thing..This is just merely a page of so many pages describing the condtions she lives in and what she must go through...I'm not trying to rant..I'm just suggestiing..in the future before you set your thoughts, look further into the matter...Me looking into that matter is what made me want to post it on this site..because I thought it was a very moving and very sad thing happening. thanks.

 

[tyflier]

Maize-

I don't doubt your sincerety one bit. And I certainly don't doubt the love and concern that people have for captive animals.

However, I am merely of the opinion that a wild caught animal is a wild caught animal regardless of species. Have you ever been to a zoo? Every single wild caught animal in every single zoo in every city across the world is kept in conditions that are "less than ideal". Some are better than others, and some are truly horrific. But the bottom line is, 99.9% of those animals would be better off in the wild where they belong. So why does one deserve more media attention and monetary donations than another?

I don't need to research any further. I have been to countless zoos across this country and watched countless Animal Planet programs...enough to know that zoos are basically the same...some are better, some are horrible...but they ALL keep wild animals in less-than-ideal conditions. I see no reason why one animal deserve any more media scrutiny or monetary donations than any other.

No offense, I just don't understand where and why people draw the lines that they do when it comes to wild caught animals in captive conditions...

 

[Maize411]

I do see your point in that..and I agree with you 100 percent

I'm not specifically saying that this whale deservers more help then all the other caught and badly treated zoo animals out there..But one must help where they can..Even if it's one animal out of hundreds..at least that is one animal that is being helped..I know there are hundreds all over the world..If I had millions of dollars I would donate to every one of them to help them all..but unfortunately I am far from rich..I know they all need help, why I chose this specific one I can't even really say..I guess because her story was so emotional to me..but I just go by the belief that help starts with one step..I may not be able to help all those animals..but at least starting somewhere can give me and others who choose to help the feeling that they have made even a small difference...

 

[antsterr]

Well, reading the article on the side I didn't see pictures of them killing whales, I saw drawings of them dumping bodies. Also I saw drawings of the tank. You say "Everything mentioned is fact". Well, how do we know this? all the did was quote three or four people, non of them whale experts and then mention it was in national media, but no mention of what media covered this story. Also, anyone can write on wikipedia, just because there is an article there doesn't mean anything other than someone wrote it. I'll believe it when it comes from a trusted credible source.

Anyway. I don't like emotional manipulation, I'd rather decided on something based on knowledge than emotion. Music videos on youtube are usually pure emotional leash pulling. It's the same with those anti-fur trade videos.It's emotional manipulation propaganda.

 

[Shade]

I'm going to agree with everyone else here. There's so much pathos manipulation here that I wonder if there's any fact at all to support their claims. I mean, you'd think that if they HAD facts, they'd just let the facts speak for themselves instead of pulling all of this emotional crap.

 

[MegF.]

FWIW: Wikpedia "facts" are placed there by anyone who wants to put them in. The facts are only as good as the person posting them there and the stuff in Wikpedia could have been put in by the same people who put in this article.