• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

Introducing my little friends

Scotsman

Scotsman
I would just like to introduce my little friends here and anybody who has opinions, suggestions or even just nice comments, please feel free.
IMG_0015.jpg

The new house for my snakes.
STA_0018.jpg

The left hand side
STB_0019.jpg

The right hand side
Measurements are 150cm x 80cm x 140cm.

IMG_0013.jpg


Whitey. Amelanistic, correct me if I'm wrong.

IMG_0052.jpg


Norman, Normal, pretty sure I'm right with that one.

IMG_0011.jpg


Snowy. Snow/ Het Striped. So I've been told

IMG_0002.jpg


Cissy. Normal? Possibly Okeetee.

IMG_0058.jpg


Cissy with Brownie, pretty sure Brownie is an Emoryi, correct me if I'm wrong

So now you have seen my baby's. Hope to hear from somebody soon. :cheers:
 
Wow, nice viv. I like how its decorated with the bamboo and the fencing material. I wish I had the viv size and initiative to do that. Heck the money to do that would be nice. =P

However, sand is a very poor substrate choice.

Hopefully you do feed outside of the viv to minimize the risk of ingesting it. But sand is very irritating to cornsnakes because it can get in under their scales and cause sores, or it can get in their nostrils and mouths as they burrow. I've had snakes get clogged nostrils from a substrate that was too dusty and develop a respiratory infection. If ingested, it can irritate the gut lining and potentially cause an impaction, which if not caught in time, can be fatal.

And secondly, it can't be sterilized or replaced as easily as a wood chip substrate. If you just scoop up the poo like you would with kitty litter, there's still bacteria present which will just accumulate.

I wouldn't even recommend sand for a desert species, let alone a species who spends most of its time in a wood/grassland setting. They just aren't made to deal with it on a constant basis.

I'll let someone else address the cohabitation issue. I've been sick for a week, and I'm not in the mood to peck a fight. =)
 
Thanks for the nice words, but of course I don't feed them in the Viv, they all get fed separately in feed boxes. I have heard that sand is'nt to great for Corns but I've been using it for over 2 years without any trouble ( I know that does'nt mean much). And about picking a fight, com on, I did say at the start " any comments" then I mean any comments, critic is good as long as its constructive, and I think we're all adult enough to accept critic. Any other comments are more than welcome.
 
Amaaaaazing viv! For the cohabitation thing; just search for this word on the forum and you know why peopel don't like touching the subject.... short comment on it by the majority; not ever! :grin01:

I think Brownie is actually an anery corn, or maybe a cornxmeoryi cross (rootbeer). Below you see a emoryi... mind the different look of the head... but of course the pic isn't that good. All others are identified correctly I think.
 

Attachments

  • freya-daglicht2.jpg
    freya-daglicht2.jpg
    48.1 KB · Views: 127
  • freya-eat.jpg
    freya-eat.jpg
    84.3 KB · Views: 125
Actually after looking better, I think Brownie is a rootbeer, now especially because of the head! The color seems not emoryi though...
 
Blut, like you'd know? ;)

Scots, well, it is a very heated topic among most of us at times, and you'd honestly be surprised at how offended people can get from simple constructive criticism. Besides, you seem kind of new, at least since I've been gone and I don't like ripping new arse's on the first introduction. I save that for the second date usually. ;)

1. It risks disease transmission.
2. It risks stress. Stress in snakes can present in various ways; lack of appetite, weight loss, shedding issues, aggression, death.
3. It risks premature breeding. While all of your snakes appear to be in excellent health, repeated or too early of a breeding can compromise the health of your animals. Also, if you've no desire for more snakes, asking a female to put energy into producing fertile eggs is a bit selfish.
4. Cannibalism. There's a chance someone's mouth still smells like mouse/rat and when they're put back, someone else is still hungry. Next thing you know, you've got one snake dead.
5. They are a solitary animal. Housing them together serves no purpose, to be honest. It's just a selfish thing to force them live together because the owner thinks its "cute" or that "they like each other". It'd be like keeping aggressive cichlid fish together when all they do is fight. They do better alone.

There are just so many reasons to keep them separate, I can't even think of one to keep them together. The only time most of our snakes meet each other are for breeding or pictures, that's it. And even that, some of my snakes obviously twitch at being touched.

Some people can do it successfully, but you never know when something may happen. Snakes don't hiss or growl at one another like cats or dogs will do. They just survive until something better comes along. They're at our will and mercy. Now if only I had the room to have a gorgeous viv like yours for just one of my snakes, I'd be a happy camper indeed.

There are a ton of informative posts concerning the subject, I encourage you to read through all of the information and make an informed decision from there. Below are a few I think are of importance.

Link #1 Link #2

All in all, I truly love the viv and your snakes are healthy and gorgeous, I just have a few "issues" that you can take cum grano salis, its your call. Just trying to throw all of the info out there.

(Tidbit of info: I don't think that Broken 2-20 person ever separated their snakes, and the one snake did eventually die of the issues it sustained while being forced to cohabitate. Just another one of those "I told ya so's".)
 
Wow thats one amazing looking viv and didn't you say in a different post somewhere that you had to convince your wife or girlfriend to keep your snakes. Wow! Great looking snakes and viv.

Stef
 
Thanks again for the competent and constructive critic, I have heard of a lot of people saying that cornsnakes are not supposed to be together, I'm quite sure its correct what you're saying. The Snakes I have have been together since they were only a few weeks old, they only know it together, they always get fed separately and on the same day. There has been no Aggression in the Viv, no shedding problems, during the day they all lei together, or in groups male and female. As to lack of appetite and weight loss, no chance, why do you think I built a new Viv, they keep eating and growing, eating and growing. As to premature breeding, they are all over 2 years old, have never laid any eggs so I think it is now safe to breed with them (each snake weighs at least 350 gramms. To your last point about holding them together because its cute or because they like each other, well, I know that snakes are not capable of building relationships with thier keepers, but I'm also quite sure they have no relationships to other members of thier species other than at pairing time, but even then its just wham, bam thank you mam and they are gone again. And snakes arent cute, they are fascinating, interesting,and many other things but they are not really cute, thats my opinion. I keep the snakes together, not because I'm selfish or anything like that, because I find a big Viv looks great, but a viv the size of mine would be too big for one Cornsnake, thats what I think. But I think the whole point of this discussion is, I'm quite sure you are right, but don't forget some people like to live solitary but others would die if they were too long on thier own. And I think the care of the snakes is an important factor, whenthey are well looked after then the points you raised would become obvious and then you would know what to do. I do have more empty Vivs at the moment ( Winter Viv where they are all separated, feeding viv with 6 separate compartments and another one 2m x 0,8m 0,9m ) so i do have space if i notice something is'nt quite right. Once again thanks again for advice, and i will keep it in mind. This forum is great in German forums, you can't discuss anything without some idiot saying something stupid or something personal. Keep it up
 
I think that viv is beautiful. I'm not sure that it's to big for one animal but that's just me :D

The snakes are gorgeous too.

:-offtopic
on the cohabitation issue, the only thing I would say is that you can't compare humans to snakes. Snakes are not pack or herd animals & would never live together in the wild. (I wish they were herd animals though, how cool would that be to see a herd of snakes?)
 
Back
Top