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Is this a corn????????
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Daniel Eaton
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I'd say so...
I'm a newbie at this, but the dark marking/stripe that starts at the eye and goes back is one of the things I've read that is an identifying feature of corns. Of course it *could* be a Mississippi cotton-mouth water rattler for all I know!
Daniel
I'm a newbie at this, but the dark marking/stripe that starts at the eye and goes back is one of the things I've read that is an identifying feature of corns. Of course it *could* be a Mississippi cotton-mouth water rattler for all I know!
Daniel
It sort of is.....
The brown/gray one appears, to me atleast, to be a "Great Plains Rat Snake" AKA "Emory's Rat Snake."
Emory's are either considered a subspecies of corn snake (E.g.emoryi) or its own species (E.emoryi) depending on who you ask. I think the taxonomy changes every couple of years.
Even more confusing, when described as its own species, E.emoryi is sometimes divided into three subspecies of its own (E.e.intermontanus, E.e.meakllmorum, and E.e.emoryi). The taxonomic debate continues to rage.
Very nice Miami you have as well. Hope this helps.
joe clark
The brown/gray one appears, to me atleast, to be a "Great Plains Rat Snake" AKA "Emory's Rat Snake."
Emory's are either considered a subspecies of corn snake (E.g.emoryi) or its own species (E.emoryi) depending on who you ask. I think the taxonomy changes every couple of years.
Even more confusing, when described as its own species, E.emoryi is sometimes divided into three subspecies of its own (E.e.intermontanus, E.e.meakllmorum, and E.e.emoryi). The taxonomic debate continues to rage.
Very nice Miami you have as well. Hope this helps.
joe clark
emory vs. corn
sorry joe but i'm inclined to disagree with you. i'm also thinking anery mainly because of the ground color (its too silvery-gray). most emorys in my limited experience have more of a brownish tinge to them. this snake seems to be missing all of its red pigment whereas in an emory the red is just overshadowed by the huge amount of black. just my 2 cents... maybe its an anery emory ...jim
sorry joe but i'm inclined to disagree with you. i'm also thinking anery mainly because of the ground color (its too silvery-gray). most emorys in my limited experience have more of a brownish tinge to them. this snake seems to be missing all of its red pigment whereas in an emory the red is just overshadowed by the huge amount of black. just my 2 cents... maybe its an anery emory
...jim
Serpwidgets
New member
What about Kisatchie?
I haven't seen enough of them to know exactly what they look like, but that there is what I picture when I hear the name.
I haven't seen enough of them to know exactly what they look like, but that there is what I picture when I hear the name.
firmly back on the fencepost...
ok people you decide...sorry i'm changing my vote to undecided (i'm a registered democrat, its allowed)
i think i may have something here...
in the head shot he looks much more brown and emory-ish... darker picture=lots of brown
in the full body shot he is well lit up and could be quite shiny giving him the anery-ish silvery-gray look
take a closer look at the 2 pictures and it looks to me like 2 totally different snakes. (i know its not but that is the appearance i get when looking closely) if i was given one pic i'd say anery but if given the other i'd say emory......
so which pic is the more accurate???... how bout another pic??? till then i refuse to commit myself to any one choice on the grounds that if i was a politician i'd be both allowed and expected to do this on any number of occasions and paid quite well to do it...maybe send it to a committee???
ok people you decide...sorry i'm changing my vote to undecided (i'm a registered democrat, its allowed)
i think i may have something here...
in the head shot he looks much more brown and emory-ish... darker picture=lots of brown
in the full body shot he is well lit up and could be quite shiny giving him the anery-ish silvery-gray look
take a closer look at the 2 pictures and it looks to me like 2 totally different snakes. (i know its not but that is the appearance i get when looking closely) if i was given one pic i'd say anery but if given the other i'd say emory......
so which pic is the more accurate???... how bout another pic??? till then i refuse to commit myself to any one choice on the grounds that if i was a politician i'd be both allowed and expected to do this on any number of occasions and paid quite well to do it...maybe send it to a committee???
Littlewolf
New member
Same problem
My son caught a snake in our barn lot that looks like this one. I said it was a corn. It is not even a foot long maybe 10 inches. It has the brownish saddle back with tannish background, his belly is grey with black markings. Does this sound like a corn too?
My son caught a snake in our barn lot that looks like this one. I said it was a corn. It is not even a foot long maybe 10 inches. It has the brownish saddle back with tannish background, his belly is grey with black markings. Does this sound like a corn too?
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
I live in Missouri where Great Plains Rat snakes are somewhat common. I have seen nearly as much variability in their coloration as you see in anery corns (no two really look alike!). So, I would hesitate to make any distinctions based on the two photos shown above. It has been my experience that Great Plains Rat snakes have lots more black checks on their ventral scales than do corns. However, in Texas, I understand that there is a population of GPRs that have no ventral markings at all! In short (too late!) I would feel better about making an I.D. via internet photos if we could at least see the ventral scales?
As to the last post about the corn looking snake found in the barn, I believe that most rat snakes (black, yellow, corns, GPRs, etc.) exhibit those similar markings in their young. A juvenile black rat looks very much like an anery corn at first glance. So, that snake in the barn could be just about any kind of rat snake (corn included), but there are subtil differences that identify each type, too numerous to go into here.
Hope this helps -- Darin
As to the last post about the corn looking snake found in the barn, I believe that most rat snakes (black, yellow, corns, GPRs, etc.) exhibit those similar markings in their young. A juvenile black rat looks very much like an anery corn at first glance. So, that snake in the barn could be just about any kind of rat snake (corn included), but there are subtil differences that identify each type, too numerous to go into here.
Hope this helps -- Darin
