RavenSpirit360
Mitakuye Oyasin
RIGHT!!!! And then got his own tv show afterwards and is treated like even more of a celebrity now than he was before his crime was known.. Probably made him a lot richer... Stupid... He shouldve been made example of..
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Man Shoots Dog, Gets 11 Years in Prison
- Thread starter Snakes Incorporated
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RIGHT!!!! And then got his own tv show afterwards and is treated like even more of a celebrity now than he was before his crime was known.. Probably made him a lot richer... Stupid... He shouldve been made example of..
tyflier
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Better example as it is much more closely related, and a sickening reality.
But then again, by now we all know that you can get away with anything if you've enough fame and fortune. Right, OJ? Or perhaps MJ? Too soon?:nope:
The_Thunderer
New member
Sorry, Michael... But I really disagree with you on the Donte Stallworth example. He killed a PERSON... Mario Reyes, 59. Here's an old link... Mario Reyes.
He was a man with a family... Husband of 20 years to Catalina and father to 15 year old Daniela.
I don't begrudge (as mentioned previously) the guy in question getting 5 years in prison for killing a dog in a residential area. BUT, to say that it is justified for a man who willingly got behind the wheel of a vehicle while knowingly impaired (and shrugging it off as a "mistake"?) to NOT get at least 11 years is disgusting. Is Donte gonna put Daniela through college? Is he gonna provide groceries for the family? Nope... BUT, he should be PUNISHED for taking Mario's life AND Catalina and Daniela's sole means of support. For what he did, I don't CARE about rehabilitation for Donte, but PUNISHMENT. He should NEVER play another game in his life for what he did. As it is, he's making $900,000/year with the Ravens... while Catalina and Daniela are without a husband and father. Where's the justice in that? We're so worried about the shooting of a dog while a family is still suffering from the loss of a HUMAN family member? There's something sick about that.
Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but it makes me very ill when folks try to equate animal life to human life. IMHO, there IS no comparison. The dog can and probably did provide companionship and comfort, but he did not go to work each day to provide food for the table, shelter and clothes for the family, etc. Mario DID.
I have paid and am paying for my "sins". I suspect most of us have/are. But for his mistake, Donte gets to play in the NFL and make 6 figures while the lives of those he affected go without. 21 days? UGH. End of my rant. LOL.
He was a man with a family... Husband of 20 years to Catalina and father to 15 year old Daniela.
I don't begrudge (as mentioned previously) the guy in question getting 5 years in prison for killing a dog in a residential area. BUT, to say that it is justified for a man who willingly got behind the wheel of a vehicle while knowingly impaired (and shrugging it off as a "mistake"?) to NOT get at least 11 years is disgusting. Is Donte gonna put Daniela through college? Is he gonna provide groceries for the family? Nope... BUT, he should be PUNISHED for taking Mario's life AND Catalina and Daniela's sole means of support. For what he did, I don't CARE about rehabilitation for Donte, but PUNISHMENT. He should NEVER play another game in his life for what he did. As it is, he's making $900,000/year with the Ravens... while Catalina and Daniela are without a husband and father. Where's the justice in that? We're so worried about the shooting of a dog while a family is still suffering from the loss of a HUMAN family member? There's something sick about that.
Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but it makes me very ill when folks try to equate animal life to human life. IMHO, there IS no comparison. The dog can and probably did provide companionship and comfort, but he did not go to work each day to provide food for the table, shelter and clothes for the family, etc. Mario DID.
I have paid and am paying for my "sins". I suspect most of us have/are. But for his mistake, Donte gets to play in the NFL and make 6 figures while the lives of those he affected go without. 21 days? UGH. End of my rant. LOL.
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Snakes Incorporated
Unusual but effective
Sorry to be the fly in the proverbial ointment but manslaughter is accidental and cant be considered as KILLING anyone. Technically maybe but thats a debate for another day.
tyflier
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And I have never bought the idea of manslaughter for DWI. Life is all about choices. If you choose to consume copious amounts of alcohol and/or intoxicants, and you choose to get behind the wheel of a vehicle, than you have made a very conscious choice to suffer whatever consequences come your way.
Drunk Driving isn't a mistake, it's a choice. I have never in my life gotten behind the wheel of a vehicle while impaired by alcohol. That is a choice that we all have the ability to make.
Michael823
New member
I hear you. Like I said, I was disgusted by the charge, or lack thereof, against Donte Stallworth. I'm in NO way comparing killing a dog vs killing a human, regardless of my personal feelings towards dogs. I'm just comparing the difference between a blatant act vs an ignorant, stupid, and horrendous "accident". "Accident" in the sense that he never intended to kill anyone, not "accident" in the sense that he was the innocent victim caught up in circumstance. Stallworth robbed a man and his family of his life, that's inexcusable. I can't even begin to justify his actions. I just think that the punishments and crimes were entirely different.
With Stallworth, I don't feel that a life in jail would have fit the crime, nor prevented future crimes. I felt that he should have certainly done more time than he did. But I think that the law should be open to case specific punishments. Like an 8-15yr sentence, or an ultimatum charge in which Stallworth would have had to have frequent, random drug tests, and he would have to forgo like 90% of his earnings made in the duration of his football career to the family of the victim.
As for the killing of the dog, I feel that an 11ys sentence will do a great deal for society, as far as FINALLY laying down the law on animal cruelty, neglect, abuse, etc...
As for Michael Vick... I can't really disagree. It's a good comparison. My ONLY defense (or more of an understanding) for Michael Vick is the good that he still has yet to do with his name. He could resurrect his image into a way that may change the future of dog fighting altogether, and sitting in jail for 11yrs would only maybe glorify the charge. Not to say that an 11yr charge would have been unfair, just that I think Michael Vick really has some good left that he can do for society. And not that the man in question can not, but I feel in his case, 11yrs jail time will go a long way, as far as making a statement against animal cruelty.
And maybe I'm wrong, maybe a statement punishment is unfair. But to me, I would have made the same call as a judge.
Michael823
New member
I agree! It's a sober person who makes the choice to consume the substance, well aware of the risks that come with it. I would NEVER drink and drive. I don't drink as is, but I know much better than to drink and drive.
The_Thunderer
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I'm with Michael and Chris on this, the "manslaughter" charge may give it an "accident" label or look, but when you drink and drive, you've made a conscious choice. If you've gotta drive, don't drink... if you've gotta drink, don't drive. Simple.
BUT, back to the topic at hand... LOL.
BUT, back to the topic at hand... LOL.
Snakes Incorporated
Unusual but effective
In my country its is very much against the law to drink and drive but public transportation system is a problem so if one is drawn into a situation that there is little choice other than to get behind the wheel under the influence we have to take the chance.
No normal person in South Africa can say they have never drove while being drunk some time in their life.
No normal person in South Africa can say they have never drove while being drunk some time in their life.
Michael823
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I suppose it's pretty much the same where I'm from. I suppose that it's easier to find public transportation in the cities, but around here it's not even an option. So people drink and drive, and they do so frequently. I would assume that almost everyone over 21 has. Me, I never have, never will, and I'm quite vocal about my anger with people who do. I'll always offer to drive, if I have to, in any situation, anytime of the day/night to prevent the possibility of anyone drinking and driving.
tyflier
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Same here. I live where "public transportation" consists of calling your best friend at 3am and begging for a ride home. I would simply rather not drink than have to worry about driving afterwards.
