Miami Phase Influense, Help!!!

[TheFitz]

Like this?

Yes, the ground colour is good, but the saddles need to be more solid black with no frosting just grey and black! And then imagine that in a motley.

 

[KJUN]

I think they would look very candy cane like.

Then stop thinking.:fullauto: Start re-searching. :bang::bang:

Does anyone else see humor in these two posts coming from the same person in the same thread? LOL.

 

[abell82]

Does anyone else see humor in these two posts coming from the same person in the same thread? LOL.

Almost as funny as trying to get people to pay 1200.00 for the latest hybrid!!
Oops,... I mean cornsnake gene!

Tessera Cornsnakes - The newest cornsnake gene
We are finally beginning to take deposits on our CB09 Tessera cornsnakes. This is the first year that we will be offering any for sale, and the listed price is for Tesseras assuming we do not prove that there is a super form.

Males - $1200/each
Females - $1000/each

KJun You always get touchy when people mention breeding Kisatchie's why is that?

 

[KJUN]

Was it that or just your plain rudeness that got me touchy in this thread?

 

[mike17l]

Almost as funny as trying to get people to pay 1200.00 for the latest hybrid!!
Oops,... I mean cornsnake gene!

Tessera Cornsnakes - The newest cornsnake gene
We are finally beginning to take deposits on our CB09 Tessera cornsnakes. This is the first year that we will be offering any for sale, and the listed price is for Tesseras assuming we do not prove that there is a super form.

Males - $1200/each
Females - $1000/each

A bit of jealousy?
I think so. When you discover/help discover a new gene, I am sure that you will value it accordingly.

KJun You always get touchy when people mention breeding Kisatchie's why is that?

Why were Kisatchies (or emoryi or hybrids) even brought up in this thread to begin with? They have absolutely nothing to do with the OP or what was being discussed.

Was it that or just your plain rudeness that got me touchy in this thread?

If you want, I am sure KJ can be as rude as you like. He has been very civil in this thread, as he usually is.

Anyone want to take bets on how many years it will be before abell82 has a chance to buy a tessera?

 

[abell82]

A bit of jealousy?
I think so. When you discover/help discover a new gene, I am sure that you will value it accordingly.

ONLY he didn't do much more then to BUY into the "new morph" which he then named, and is trying to resell. OR am I missing something?

Anyone want to take bets on how many years it will be before abell82 has a chance to buy a tessera?

Well since I don't DO stripes, and would likely NEVER pay that much for a hybrid... Probably a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME!!

 

[abell82]

Well since I don't DO stripes, and would likely NEVER pay that much for a hybrid... Probably a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME!!

Pardon me SUSPECTED hybrid.

 

[mike17l]

ONLY he didn't do much more then to BUY into the "new morph" which he then named, and is trying to resell. OR am I missing something?

And if you "bought into" a new morph, that no one else had, and proved its heritability, would you not name it and set it's price as well?

Well since I don't DO stripes, and would likely NEVER pay that much for a hybrid... Probably a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME!!

It is not a stripe.

Pardon me SUSPECTED hybrid.

Any proof what so ever? Or any information that you can share that would lead anyone to believe that these are not pure corns?

 

[mike17l]

Any proof what so ever? Or any information that you can share that would lead anyone to believe that these are not pure corns?

If you need help answering this question, the answer would be no.

 

[JFDery]

Why is it a "suspected" hybrid?

 

[mike17l]

Why is it a "suspected" hybrid?

I believe that it is jealousy. Because someone can not afford them, they feel that they must demean/devalue them in anyway.

You know, back when stripes first hit the market, "all" of the corn purists just "knew" that they were hybrids with one of the ratsnakes (obsoleta). Same logic I guess.

Perhaps one would question them, but when you look at the images that Don has posted of his clutches from last year, none, none of the "normals" have any markers or indicators that they are hybrids.

 

[JFDery]

OK, that's pretty much what I wanted to know. Just from looking at them and from what KJ told me about I had no reason to suspect that they were hybrids, but I thought maybe I missed something, and I was wondering what reasons were accompanying "suspected hybrid". Thanks.

 

[abell82]

It is not a stripe.

You say it's not a stripe.

You know, back when stripes first hit the market, "all" of the corn purists just "knew" that they were hybrids with one of the ratsnakes (obsoleta). Same logic I guess.

Perhaps one would question them, but when you look at the images that Don has posted of his clutches from last year, none, none of the "normals" have any markers or indicators that they are hybrids.

Then you compare them to a stripe.

You mention Don from south Mountain. Don says this, on his web page...

Keep in mind that our evidence at this time is from three pairings only, so further breeding trials are necessary to more accurately describe this mutation, and its mode of inheritance. Other than appearance, all physiology is classically cornsnake, though the pattern complex resembles that of other species (including pattern mutations in other species). Arguably, no obvious (or cryptic) hybrid markers have been observed.

In a post on King snake he says this...

In just two generations, it’s possible to erase most of the alien foot prints leading back to the crime :0grin. What remains is just enough atypicality to make the products novelly marketable. In our hobby, the danger is infusing those into heretofore pure cornsnake lines, thereby permanently polluting their genome. Once those genes are introduced, they’re always there. Eventually, they can be diluted to nearly invisible levels, but they cannot be expunged.

Enough is enough. If you would like to discuss it further you can PM me

 

[mike17l]

You say it's not a stripe.

Then you compare them to a stripe.

Sorry, your mistaken, you mam were the first to compare them to a stripe, I was merely following your lead and using your example.

You mention Don from south Mountain. Don says this, on his web page...

Keep in mind that our evidence at this time is from three pairings only, so further breeding trials are necessary to more accurately describe this mutation, and its mode of inheritance. Other than appearance, all physiology is classically cornsnake, though the pattern complex resembles that of other species (including pattern mutations in other species). Arguably, no obvious (or cryptic) hybrid markers have been observed.

In a post on King snake he says this...

In just two generations, it’s possible to erase most of the alien foot prints leading back to the crime :0grin. What remains is just enough atypicality to make the products novelly marketable. In our hobby, the danger is infusing those into heretofore pure cornsnake lines, thereby permanently polluting their genome. Once those genes are introduced, they’re always there. Eventually, they can be diluted to nearly invisible levels, but they cannot be expunged.

Thanks for finding that for me, "they (meaning hybrid markers) cannot be expunged." If you need the definition of expunged let me know.

Enough is enough. If you would like to discuss it further you can PM me

What's wrong? do not want to be proven wrong in a public forum? oke:

So please pray tell, what are tesseras a hybrid with? What other egg-laying colubrid has a gene that is inherited in the same way as and looks similar to a tessera cornsnake?
Ms. abell 82 please educate the "uninformed", what markers are present? What is a tessera a hybrid with? Why were they even brought up to begin with?

 

[abell82]

Sorry, your mistaken, you mam were the first to compare them to a stripe, I was merely following your lead and using your example.
Thanks for finding that for me, "they (meaning hybrid markers) cannot be expunged." If you need the definition of expunged let me know.

What's wrong? do not want to be proven wrong in a public forum? oke:
So please pray tell, what are tesseras a hybrid with? What other egg-laying colubrid has a gene that is inherited in the same way as and looks similar to a tessera cornsnake?
Ms. abell 82 please educate the "uninformed", what markers are present? What is a tessera a hybrid with? Why were they even brought up to begin with?

So I'm a woman? No shame in that last time I checked. You are the one defending your boy friends's honor though. If you want to continue feel free to PM me.

 

[mike17l]

So I'm a woman? No shame in that last time I checked. You are the one defending your boy friends's honor though. If you want to continue feel free to PM me.

Sorry, I thought you were a woman (abell sounds feminine, if I'm wrong, sorry :shrugs: ). Now, back to the actual discussion. Any chance you plan to answer a question? Perhaps you could answer with out an insult added? (is that possible? :shrugs: )

 

[mike17l]

Main Entry: ex·punge Listen to the pronunciation of expunge
Pronunciation: \ik-ˈspənj\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): ex·punged; ex·pung·ing
Etymology: Latin expungere to mark for deletion by dots, from ex- + pungere to prick — more at pungent
Date: 1602

1 : to strike out, obliterate, or mark for deletion
2 : to efface completely : destroy
3 : to eliminate (as a memory) from one's consciousness

Does this help?

 

[JFDery]

Humm, lets not get too excited here. I think the question (or request) is quite legitimate; I asked the same question earlier and I wasn't under the impression that I was defending anybody’s honour.

If you express on a public forum that a morph presented by another member is probably a hybrid, don't you think it's only fair to explain why you say that? Even if not for the benefit of that person (maybe you don't like him, I don’t know) I’m sure other forum members (including me) would be very interested to hear the explanation. Personally, I wouldn’t ask you for PROOF, but some fair arguments would certainly help me not jump to the conclusion that you’re simply picking a fight. You can say you think it’s ugly; no need for an explanation. But if you imply the breeders (or owners, whatever) are lying about the finding of the morph, I really believe that calls for an explanation and you shouldn’t be offended if others debate or comment on the grounds of your arguments. Since your statement of “suspected hybrid” was done publicly, you should support your statement before the same public, not thru PM. Anyway, that’s how I see it.

 

[Jadie.Glitch]

Sorry, I thought you were a woman (abell sounds feminine, if I'm wrong, sorry :shrugs: ). Now, back to the actual discussion. Any chance you plan to answer a question? Perhaps you could answer with out an insult added? (is that possible? :shrugs: )

Not to jump into the dirt with you guys or anything but this one needed a comment...

To me: "Abell" sounds like "Abel"... as in "Cain & Abel"... and I'm pretty sure Abel was a man :awcrap:. I dunno, maybe if it was "Maybell" or something... I just don't see anything feminine about this name at all... Once again, my intention is not to hop into this with you and while I personally believe that the Tessera is NOT a hybrid, I am remaining neutral on the topic until I know more.

Continue on. It's entertaining and informative.

Just remember, if it gets any more heated, someone may be looking at getting banned... Just sayin'.

We can discuss things like adults, and even disagree about it all in the end, but lashing out getting banned isn't helping anyone and it only proves to make people look insecure and lame.

On that note: LOVE YOU ALL! Please continue .

 

[mike17l]

Not to jump into the dirt with you guys or anything but this one needed a comment...

To me: "Abell" sounds like "Abel"... as in "Cain & Abel"... and I'm pretty sure Abel was a man :awcrap:. I dunno, maybe if it was "Maybell" or something... I just don't see anything feminine about this name at all... Once again, my intention is not to hop into this with you and while I personally believe that the Tessera is NOT a hybrid, I am remaining neutral on the topic until I know more.

I say tomato you say tomato. Being from the south, I saw A bell, as in a southern bell. Like I said, if I am wrong, I am sorry. Still want some questions answered, as Jean said, in publik (I know it has a "K").