Motley and diffused

[Aurora314]

Hi all,
Could someone please clarify for me the difference in the action and appearance of motley and diffused? I've looked at a lot of pictures and read what I could find, but I'm still a bit confused. It seems like a good idea to see if you kind folks can help.

A second question, if I may: does anyone have a good picture of a pewter motley? What would be the difference in appearance between a pewter and a pewter motley? With this question, I am referring to snakes that are yearlings or adults. (I believe I found a good picture of a pewter motley hatchling at Ian's Vivarium).

Thanks.

 

[hypnoctopus]

Motley creates small 'perfect' circles (although motley can also look somewhat or completely striped) that don't generally have borders. Diffused makes the pattern on the sides disappear and can also move up to the snake's back as it grows older. Both morphs make the belly white.

I have not seen a pewter motley, sorry!

 

[hypnoctopus]

The picture on iansvivarium is one of Steve Roylance's. He's a member here, so maybe you could ask him if he has any adult pictures?

 

[Aurora314]

Good idea - thanks.

 

[hypnoctopus]

This was posted on another forum and is supposedly a pewter motley:

 

[Aurora314]

Curious. Thanks for the pic. Wouldn't the saddle pattern on the snake's back be different than a normal pattern somehow, or am I missing the difference?

 

[hypnoctopus]

Curious. Thanks for the pic. Wouldn't the saddle pattern on the snake's back be different than a normal pattern somehow, or am I missing the difference?

That's why I said supposedly. It doesn't really look motley to me, but the person posting it said it was, so I don't know.

 

[hypnoctopus]

Although not an adult, the snake of the day at SMR today is a pewter motley. Did you already see this?

 

[Aurora314]

No, I hadn't seen this one! Thank you, I'll check out the site.

 

[AliCat37]

Motley doesn't always produce the circles on the back, I have a motley that only has the plain belly, broken/minimized side patterning, and regular saddles.
I read somewhere one time though that this is called "notley" as kind of a joke, but when bred with motleys they produce all mots.. So,, back to the hitch hiking gene idea that the circles and white belly kinda just go together, but sometimes get broken. Idk.

Either way

 

[fyrefocks]

These are bloodred motleys or het motley/stripes. There are only a couple days old, so be nice to them.

 

[Aurora314]

Thanks so much for the pictures. They are beautiful! I can definitely see the motley pattern as it was described. Normally, when motley is expressed, is stripe hidden, or does it also express in the pattern of the snake?

It looks as if the back pattern of a motley and diffused snake is much reduced and the sides are very much diffused. Is it likely that the pattern that is left in these little guys will reduce, as well?

 

[fyrefocks]

Thanks so much for the pictures. They are beautiful! I can definitely see the motley pattern as it was described. Normally, when motley is expressed, is stripe hidden, or does it also express in the pattern of the snake?

When you have a snake that is het for both motley and stripe, you get a snake that looks motley. This is why people say that motley is dominant over stripe. I don't think I've ever seen a het M/S look like a stripe. Sometimes you get a really nice pinstripe pattern, but stripe has nothing to do with that.

It looks as if the back pattern of a motley and diffused snake is much reduced and the sides are very much diffused. Is it likely that the pattern that is left in these little guys will reduce, as well?

If these babies diffuse like their parents then I expect them to lose almost all of their pattern.

 

[Aurora314]

This is interesting. I just recently put a fellow on layaway. I have no idea how old he is, but he is a male and he weighs about 260 grams. He is a pewter motley, supposedly, and fits the description all of you folks have been giving me, particularly fyrefocks. He has practically no pattern at all except in certain lighting, and his belly is completely white. He is diffused very far up the sides of his body, too. I'll try to get a picture when I can. Thanks to everyone for helping!

 

[AliCat37]

So my tapatalk is not working anymore, I was going to post pics of my adults, but I can't unless I email them to myself and log into a computer

 

[Shiari]

Motley doesn't always produce the circles on the back, I have a motley that only has the plain belly, broken/minimized side patterning, and regular saddles.
I read somewhere one time though that this is called "notley" as kind of a joke,

Actually, you have it backwards. Notleys are 'not motleys', but look like them.


Nautley-

Notlee-

Both are fully checkered. Neither are genetically motley.

 

[Aurora314]

I just posted a couple of pics of my pewter motley in the photo gallery, if anyone is interested.

 

[AliCat37]

Yay! Tapatalk is working again!

This is my motley without a very defined dorsal pattern.

And here is my adult blood red motley that Dave P. was nice enough to send over after the sudden death of my blood stripe.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Aurora314]

Those are beautiful snakes - thanks for the pics! I love the pattern. Please take a peek at Vincent's back and belly pattern (forgive the pics quality, he's still at the store). Motley, not motley?

 

[Aurora314]

Sorry - forgot to mention these are posted at the Photo Gallery too.