Motley Question

[Sinisterrodents]

Hey everyone i kinda new to the corn side of the reptile business i have worked with ball pythons before and now have traded my whole collection for some corns. I have a question

1. What makes a corn a Motley ? what should i be looking for ?

I'm sure ill have plenty more questions but i can't thinkof any at the moment lol.. Thansk everyone

 

[Christen]

Think page has a Motley description along with pictures.

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/motley/

 

[Sinisterrodents]

Cool thanks still don't really know what i'm looking for is it the blotches or stipres do the adults lose them when they get older here is a Lavender i got and i can't tem if its a motley or not...

Female Lavender?
http://s486.photobucket.com/albums/rr230/punyhumn07/?action=view&current=Picture180.jpg

And the male?

 

[Sinisterrodents]

Female sorry don't know how to edit posts yet lol

 

[Christen]

I would say based on dorsel pattern they are not but what does their bellies look like? A motley will not have belly checkers. That is usually a big sign.

 

[Pasodama]

Based on the pictures, and looking at their dorsal & side patterns, I would say these are not Motleys.
Motleys have clear bellies (no checkers - although some may have a few scattered checkers). Their dorsal pattern will have circles, or a combo of circles & normal pattern, or can be a striped version. Their side pattern can, sometimes, be near normal but are usually of the following: absent, striped (or broken striped) along length of body, "stretched" in a horizontal/linear fashion, a combo of these things.

 

[Sinisterrodents]

Ok wasn't able to get any pics but when i was feeding today i got some good looks at the bellys. The Male has no pattern at all i have been told by others that have seen him that he is a Hypo lavender what ever that means lol. But he has no belly pattern at all. The female has a belly pattern of pinkish and purple color?

 

[Pasodama]

The female is, of course, not Motley (due to having belly checkers, etc.).
If the male does not have belly checkers (not even in the lightest form), then he is Motley.
Hypo Lavender means that he is homozygous Lavender ~and~ homozygous Hypo (Hypo = reduced melanin).

 

[Bryanchesnutt]

Diffused and motley have no belly checks. But if it has the oval motley pattern as well,i would say motley

 

[SJLilly]

The male doesn't look much like a motley to me... perhaps its a diffused lavender?

 

[AliCat37]

Neither one of them look motley to me, but if the male has absolutely no pattern on his belly then he is mot. That means a pure white belly, no checks at all, not even faded ones.

 

[Naagas]

Diffused also have a clear belly pattern, so if the male has no belly pattern, he is diffused or motley. He doesn't look motley from his pattern. I would guess diffused.

 

[Susan]

I must mention that a motley or a stripe CAN have some color on the belly, although it won't be checkers.

Normal patterned corn snakes have belly checks, some very distinct (1st photo) and others need a closer look under proper lighting (4th photo).

Motley and stripe will have a plain white belly (last photo) BUT can have color "bleeding" onto it to varying degrees (2nd photo) which can resemble the white bellies with the "bleeding" color of diffuse/bloodred (3rd photo). This "bleeding" color tends to be more concentrated in the tail part of the belly and more often colors the whole section of the belly in that region in motleys and stripes while the "bleeding" tends to be more "splotchy" and can run much closer to the neck in the diffuse/bloodreds.

 

[Sinisterrodents]

Thanks everyone i'll have to get some better belly shots. And post them up...