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My new Junglecorn
- Thread starter CornCrazy
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
Thanks Traci! If you still have your pair next season (when I get out of school), then I will definitely consider buying them. I would like to have more of them, and yours are VERY pretty! Her temperament is great as far as I can tell. She hasn't even rattled her tail at us. When I was looking at her to decide if I wanted to make the trade or not, she was very calm when I held her as well. I am hoping she ends up with the corn snake personality! If not that's OK...I love my kings as well.
Sparda
Addicted to Corns
Very Pretty Colors
She is a very pretty snake. I have to admit, that I do like the jungle corn looks. I know that some people are totally against hybrids, but I don't see anything wrong with it. They are VERY pleasing to look at, and it is not like a dog, or horse where they are registered or anything. Even they (some of the dog and horse registries) see the benefits of outcrossing, that is why they get more breeds. (Anglo-Arab, National Show Horse, etc...) Most people have and buy snakes because of how they look. (The prettier the better). I know I will probably get some replies, because of my statement, but I think you have one VERY PRETTY snake there, and I would buy one in a minute. Congrats and good luck.
She is a very pretty snake. I have to admit, that I do like the jungle corn looks. I know that some people are totally against hybrids, but I don't see anything wrong with it. They are VERY pleasing to look at, and it is not like a dog, or horse where they are registered or anything. Even they (some of the dog and horse registries) see the benefits of outcrossing, that is why they get more breeds. (Anglo-Arab, National Show Horse, etc...) Most people have and buy snakes because of how they look. (The prettier the better). I know I will probably get some replies, because of my statement, but I think you have one VERY PRETTY snake there, and I would buy one in a minute. Congrats and good luck.
Colonel SB
MMMMM Snakes
There are many reasons why hybrids are wrong. First off they contaminate the gene pool. It is not so destructive with corns & kings because they are not enganered species. That is one of the biggest problems with the reptile industry that the animals are not registered and you cannot check the genetic back ground on 90% ofthe animals. Most ppl are out to make a quick buck and will sell hybrids are pure animals just look at blood python there are so many cross out there it's hard to tell which is pure.
Now say you cross that jungle back to a corn it will look pretty much like a corn but it still has king snake genes. This is were the problems start. You can never fully get ride of those KS genes no matter how many time you out cross. It is better not to even start with hybrids.
As for dogs they are all one species of animal so you are just selectavly breding for a desired triat not hybridising those animals.
Now say you cross that jungle back to a corn it will look pretty much like a corn but it still has king snake genes. This is were the problems start. You can never fully get ride of those KS genes no matter how many time you out cross. It is better not to even start with hybrids.
As for dogs they are all one species of animal so you are just selectavly breding for a desired triat not hybridising those animals.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
Colonel SB...
I totally disagree with it being wrong to create hybrids. Think about ALL of the beautiful things that have come from hybridization. I am not just talking reptiles, either.
I totally agree, however, that it is WRONG to mis-represent them. A hybrid, no matter how many times it is out-crossed, should always be considered a hybrid. Any offspring this little one produces in the years to come will be sold as a junglecorn, regardless of whether I breed her to a cal king, a corn, or another junglecorn.
I totally disagree with it being wrong to create hybrids. Think about ALL of the beautiful things that have come from hybridization. I am not just talking reptiles, either.
I totally agree, however, that it is WRONG to mis-represent them. A hybrid, no matter how many times it is out-crossed, should always be considered a hybrid. Any offspring this little one produces in the years to come will be sold as a junglecorn, regardless of whether I breed her to a cal king, a corn, or another junglecorn.
bobknaptor
Divalicious Member
Yeah, just think.... BROCCOFLOWER! MMMmmmmm...
Animekid15
New member
Great Snakes
Im A New Owner And I Dont Really Know Much About Jungle Corns (I Do Know They R Kings And Corns Hybrid)But This One Is Very Pleasing To Look At Nice Snake
Im A New Owner And I Dont Really Know Much About Jungle Corns (I Do Know They R Kings And Corns Hybrid)But This One Is Very Pleasing To Look At Nice Snake
VegasGhost
I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bobknaptor said:Yeah, just think.... BROCCOFLOWER! MMMmmmmm...
Hey...I like Broccoflower (sp?).
Also, I have a male amel named Dante that is an F2 baby of a snow corn X black king snake....he is a sweetie...one of my newest little ones...wouldn't give him up in a minute. I have no plans to bred...but if I did, anyone and everyone interested in one of those babies would know.
I do think that some good things can come from hybridizing....just because it may be considered, by some, an unatural occurance doesn't make the outcome or product wrong (do not want to get into any theological battles here)...it is just a new option.
bobknaptor
Divalicious Member
I like broccoflower too. (hence the MMMMmmmm....)
As for pure bred vs. hybrids, the whole "pure blood only" thing is a little too "Seig Heil" for my tastes, but I'll admit that I'm not a serious breeder. Or, a comical breeder. Or... in fact... any kind of breeder at all, snake, people or otherwise. So mostly I was being a smart alec.
So... IGNORE THIS! IGNORE THIS! IGNORE THIS! hehehe. (just me having fun.)
(hence the MMMMmmmm....)As for pure bred vs. hybrids, the whole "pure blood only" thing is a little too "Seig Heil" for my tastes, but I'll admit that I'm not a serious breeder. Or, a comical breeder. Or... in fact... any kind of breeder at all, snake, people or otherwise.
So mostly I was being a smart alec. So... IGNORE THIS! IGNORE THIS! IGNORE THIS! hehehe. (just me having fun.)
Colonel SB
MMMMM Snakes
Corn Crazy how can you say it is wrong to hybridise! You say as long as they look beautiful it's okay well that is not responsible herpetocultre.
We was Herpers are responsible more then ever to protect the animals we keep, pretty soon you will not be able to find some of them in the wild. Like I said with corn it's no big deal right now but I can name many species of reptiles where thier conservation have become dificult because of people who hybridised to make a quick buck! Look at the Indian Rock Pythons complex the pimbura and molorus subspecies are very endangered and you are hard presed to find pure stock in captivity because most of the original stock was crossed with the biviattus becsue they breed more readiley in captivity. This has also happened with the carpet pythons because the costal carpet produces more eggs all the other types are bred to it to produce more eggs. Also look at the blood & short tail pythons, there are so many hybrid floating arounf out there that it is not funny!
You can even look at Common Boas & Grey Banded Kings, they have such a large degree of variance within on species...But due to many greedy people out there who just want to make a buck you can't tell were most B.c.i are from.
Now if people had been responsible in the first place we would not have these unwanted hybrids out there, the lay person is not going to be albe to tell that it is a hybrid and treat it a prue forum and keep on breeding that hybrid so the problem will only get worse until there will be no prue animals of any speceis. But as long as they look pretty it's okay right?
I'm not arguing that plants have been hybrides for centruies to our advantage but I think this is a little different most of those plants are not endangered.
We was Herpers are responsible more then ever to protect the animals we keep, pretty soon you will not be able to find some of them in the wild. Like I said with corn it's no big deal right now but I can name many species of reptiles where thier conservation have become dificult because of people who hybridised to make a quick buck! Look at the Indian Rock Pythons complex the pimbura and molorus subspecies are very endangered and you are hard presed to find pure stock in captivity because most of the original stock was crossed with the biviattus becsue they breed more readiley in captivity. This has also happened with the carpet pythons because the costal carpet produces more eggs all the other types are bred to it to produce more eggs. Also look at the blood & short tail pythons, there are so many hybrid floating arounf out there that it is not funny!
You can even look at Common Boas & Grey Banded Kings, they have such a large degree of variance within on species...But due to many greedy people out there who just want to make a buck you can't tell were most B.c.i are from.
Now if people had been responsible in the first place we would not have these unwanted hybrids out there, the lay person is not going to be albe to tell that it is a hybrid and treat it a prue forum and keep on breeding that hybrid so the problem will only get worse until there will be no prue animals of any speceis. But as long as they look pretty it's okay right?
I'm not arguing that plants have been hybrides for centruies to our advantage but I think this is a little different most of those plants are not endangered.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I never said it was OK to deceive people to make a quick buck. I personally don't have a problem with hybrids, though, as long as I KNOW that is what I am purchasing.
I DO know that you have NO right to say I am irresponsible because I disagree with you.
The ones that are irresponsible are the people who create hybrids and are dishonest about it.
I am not going to argue with you because you won't change my mind, and I won't change yours. I guess we are going to have to "agree to disagree."
I DO know that you have NO right to say I am irresponsible because I disagree with you.
The ones that are irresponsible are the people who create hybrids and are dishonest about it.
I am not going to argue with you because you won't change my mind, and I won't change yours. I guess we are going to have to "agree to disagree."
COLONEL
chill !
I respect your opinion, but it's just that, YOUR OPINION.
You're coming off way too strong and dropping allegations of irresponsibility towards some respected members of this forum. If you wish to debate a subject, that's GREAT, but try to be less abrasive.
While I don't agree with your position on hybrids, you did provide some great examples of species that had problems with cross breeding. If anyone with more info on these examples could reply, I'd love to learn more.
As for little 7 year old Joey, who wants the amel jungle corn because it has "pretty colors", I have no problem with that.
chill !
I respect your opinion, but it's just that, YOUR OPINION.
You're coming off way too strong and dropping allegations of irresponsibility towards some respected members of this forum. If you wish to debate a subject, that's GREAT, but try to be less abrasive.
While I don't agree with your position on hybrids, you did provide some great examples of species that had problems with cross breeding. If anyone with more info on these examples could reply, I'd love to learn more.
As for little 7 year old Joey, who wants the amel jungle corn because it has "pretty colors", I have no problem with that.
pinatamonkey
Ophidiophile
On boas:
Is this referring to central american vs. colombian and the different regions therein? That doesn't even belong in a debate about hybrids - whether a bci is from central america or northern colombia, etc., it's still the same species and same subspecies - akin to lamenting the fact that your corn snakes are a mix between corns of different regions. IE - a locality debate, not a hybrid debate.
And why is it because of greedy people? (Which implies that both they knew where the snakes came from, and they thought it was best to breed them to snakes from the same area, but didn't because they wanted more money.)
So it's ok for plants, which most are not endangered, but it's not ok with corn snakes and king snakes (which you acknowledged that they aren't near being endangered). So all snake hybrids are 'bad' because there are some that use endangered species, and some dishonest people who try to pass them off as pure. Talk about punishing the many for the acts of a few.
Personally, I don't really have problems with hybrids, provided that:
1. They are honestly represented, no matter what % hybrid they are (I would prefer to keep hybrids visibly different, for 2 reasons: difficult to be passed off as pure, and what the heck is the purpose of a snake that -looks- just like a corn, but isn't?)
2. Not being released into the wild (I feel the same about pretty much any captive snake, morphs especially)
3. The snakes being used in the creation are not especially rare in nature or captivity (don't want to jeopardize the existance of a species)
If someone were to come up with a registry (like the AKC for dogs), you shouldn't have to worry about buying a hybrid.
Is this referring to central american vs. colombian and the different regions therein? That doesn't even belong in a debate about hybrids - whether a bci is from central america or northern colombia, etc., it's still the same species and same subspecies - akin to lamenting the fact that your corn snakes are a mix between corns of different regions. IE - a locality debate, not a hybrid debate.
And why is it because of greedy people? (Which implies that both they knew where the snakes came from, and they thought it was best to breed them to snakes from the same area, but didn't because they wanted more money.)
So it's ok for plants, which most are not endangered, but it's not ok with corn snakes and king snakes (which you acknowledged that they aren't near being endangered). So all snake hybrids are 'bad' because there are some that use endangered species, and some dishonest people who try to pass them off as pure. Talk about punishing the many for the acts of a few.
Personally, I don't really have problems with hybrids, provided that:
1. They are honestly represented, no matter what % hybrid they are (I would prefer to keep hybrids visibly different, for 2 reasons: difficult to be passed off as pure, and what the heck is the purpose of a snake that -looks- just like a corn, but isn't?)
2. Not being released into the wild (I feel the same about pretty much any captive snake, morphs especially)
3. The snakes being used in the creation are not especially rare in nature or captivity (don't want to jeopardize the existance of a species)
If someone were to come up with a registry (like the AKC for dogs), you shouldn't have to worry about buying a hybrid.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
zeek,zeek said:
I would have to say yes. Take creamsicles for example...
Some people view them as intergrades because the corn snakes and the great plains rat snakes will interbreed in the wild. Most people, however, consider them to be hybrids because are not the "exact" same species.
P.S. - Thanks dartguy and pinatamonkey!