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Nagini had her first regurg, and I think it's my fault.

Corny Noob

Proud Momma
:cry:
I came home from work tonight to find a gushy fuzzy regurge in nagini's home.
I really don't think it was the mouse because I felt it and it was all soft. I think it's my fault. Lately she's taken to burrowing, so me being terrified that she's escaped so I poke around the aspen to find her.
I did that today right before I went to work and weighed her really quickly before putting her up. I fed her on the 15th during the day, and she had the regurg sometime after 4 but before now.
I feel like such a bad mommy for bothering her, and now I can't feed the poor baby for awhile.
Good thing I just picked up some pinkies to feed with the fuzzies, cause now I'm gonna have to feed her one of those whenever it is safe to feed her again.
:sobstory:
 
Oh and is it ok to take her out and make sure she's ok? I'm afraid to bother her but I want to make sure she's ok :(
 
Or maybe it was the mouse, because I thought after 48 hours it should be more digested than it was, it was still in like fuzzy tube shaped form and it was still pink...so maybe it was the fuzzy? :(
 
I did what now? D:

Aaahh. Sorry. :p Anyhow.

Leave her alone, don't feed her for ten days, and when you feed her, give her something half the size of her normal meal. If she's fine after that, carry on feeding her as usual. But don't mess around in her cage after she's eaten :S That's probably what caused the regurge.
 
Im sorry to hear about this Jenn but you know your not a bad mom, just a caring one. Can't really tell you much but sorry :-(
 
That's pretty much why they come back up- they aren't digesting and are starting to rot. So usually that means food too big or not completely thawed. I really doubt you messing with her caused it. I think it's ok to check up on her if you want to- it isn't going to hurt anything at this point. I'd order some Nutribac from Kathy, now, just in case you get a second regurge.

Nanci
 
Well I took her out last night anyway for less than a minute just to check on her because I was so worried. She really didn't want to be held and seemed very aggitated about it but other wise looked just fine upon quick inspection.
Like I said it still looked like it could have been a mouse after 48 hours, when I squeezed it in the baggy I thought the only non soft spot was it's bones, but it might have been not all the way thawed :/
Thank goodness I just picked up those pinkies...
 
So from now on, thaw the mouse, then turn the water to really hot for a couple minutes to make sure the mouse is 101-103F. You can check this with a meat thermometer that you can buy in the grocery store for $10. I just measure the water temp and leave the mouse in it for a minute or two, after it is thawed. It might be easier to not thaw it in the bag. You can just dry them off with a paper towel.

Nanci
 
Sorry to hear that, Jenn.

Tomorrow is Tootse's first feeding on a larger prey item, so I'm a tad bit worried myself. My problem would be size, not it being still frozen, though.

Good luck on her coming up feeding! Nagini above me recommended 10 days, but I'd feed her again when she's due the next time (I'm assuming 5 day schedule)? So if she regurged on the 17th, I'd wait 4-5 days after her next scheduled feeding, not 10.

I'm no expert though, so I might be wrong. 10 just seems like an awfully long time to let her stomach enzymes build back up.
 
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Well she was due again on....Sunday and that is clearly too soon. So another 5 days after that would put her at the 25th. Which puts her at a week since the regurge and 15 days after he last meal.
 
Regurge Info From Kathy

FAQ from Kathy Love on Regurgitation Treatment

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT - once a snake has regurged, especially twice or more, it is more likely to keep on regurging until it dies, unless something is changed about its care and feeding. It is very important NOT to let this continue. PLEASE FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW VERY CAREFULLY. This is from my FAQ on regurges:

I suspect your problem is probably not bad mice, but about handling too soon, feeding too soon or too large of a meal, a stomach "bug", or improper temps. If you make these mistakes once, or even twice, it is not usually a problem if you FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY. But remember, each time it regurges, the stomach acids are depleted, and the whole electrolyte balance is thrown off more and more each time, and it makes it MORE likely that it will continue to throw up until it dies. (those consequences are just my opinions - I do not know if science backs up my conclusions, but my experience certainly does!) That is why it is so important to NOT ALLOW another regurge.

The next month or two is crucial. DO NOT feed it for AT LEAST 8 days since the last regurge. NOT ANYTHING AT ALL! Then get a newborn frozen pinky and cut it in half (or cut off just the head) If she eats it, leave her alone for a whole week. (no handling). Repeat the partial pinkie feeding the following week. Then feed a whole newborn pinkie a week after that, if there has been no regurge. Leave alone for a whole week. If she regurges, wait a week and repeat 1/2 pinkie. If she keeps it down, wait a week and repeat whole pinkie. If she holds down a couple of meals, DO NOT rush back into larger meals and more handling. Treat this seriously. Go very slowly. After 3 successful meals, go to a newborn pink every 5 days. Go back to normal feedings only after 6 successful meals. Always wait to handle until after 3 or 4 days, but only AFTER 6 successful meals. No handling until then (causes stress, need to keep stress down). And NEVER feed again right after a regurge - ALWAYS wait AT LEAST 7 or 8 days, maybe even up to 10 days, and then only feed something that was about 1/2 the size (or less) of what she regurged..

Also, be sure that temps are not too warm or cool. Try to give an area of low to mid 80s on one side and 70s on the other. Too hot or cold will cause regurges.

Grapefruit seed extract can sometimes help if the snake has some sort of "stomach bug" (any microbial problem) as it is a natural remedy that is good against many kinds of pathogens, but not as strong as an antibiotic prescribed by a doctor. This product has been used in agriculture for many years and seems to be very safe, as long as you dilute it with enough water that the acidity does not burn the tissues. A vet has told me he feels that it may somewhat alter the pH of the animal and thus change the way medicines are absorbed. So if you use this product and then take the snake to a vet, mention the treatment so it can be taken into account if the vet decides to change the prescription because of it. It is best to mix it in a glass and taste it to make sure it is not so bitter that the snake refuses to drink it. I have used it on myself and so has my husband. I find it works better on stomach problems than for other symptoms (such as respiratory - I didn't have any luck treating colds or other respiratory problems).You can buy it at a local health food store or online. Please refer to the following website for more background info:
http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html

I have also had success with a probiotic called Nutri Bac, a fine powder containing seven different microflora that should be inhabiting the gut of reptiles, but may be absent due to stress, disease, antibiotic treatments, etc. Using the powder as a supplement will sometimes allow the reptile to get back the natural balance of microbes in its digestive tract, and then its own immune system can take over. See my website for more details, or go here:
http://www.cornutopia.com/Corn Ut...information.htm

The number of days and amounts of food, etc, suggested above are not set in stone. Other people may have success with slightly different formulas, but this is what I found works for me and many of my customers. If this protocol does not work when carefully followed, it is likely that the snake has some severe problems. Your only hope is a QUALIFIED herp vet, who may or may not be able to save your pet.

Please follow my care sheet for the first month or so when starting with new acquisitions (posted on my website for the first month's care of new corns).. The first month is crucial in getting the baby established. It is worth a little extra "coddling" for the first month in order to have a trouble free pet for the next 10 or 15 years or more.

Good luck!
Kathy Love

CONTACT INFO:

CORNUTOPIA / Kathy Love
Captive-Bred Cornsnakes

WEB: http://www.CornUtopia.com
TEL: (239) 728 2390
Backup tel. # 239-691-4414 (Cell)
EMAIL: [email protected]
 
You're a much better snake mom than I was my first time. The first snake I ever had years ago ate frozen pinkies for his first three feedings. FROZEN.

I figured there was no way a snake would eat a frozen mouse, so I'd put the pinkies into the viv and go to bed. I was sure he'd just wait 'til they were thawed. Nope! I happened to walk back into the room for some reason a few minutes later and watched my snake happily gulp down a solid frozen mouse. :eek1:

I felt REALLY bad when I saw that.
 
I've already read it religiously a few times, but thankyou for posting again.
I want to just point out that this isn't another one of those "omg my snake regurged what do I do?!" topics, I was just upset and wanted someone to talk to :sobstory:
 
Corny Noob said:
Well she was due again on....Sunday and that is clearly too soon. So another 5 days after that would put her at the 25th. Which puts her at a week since the regurge and 15 days after he last meal.

Yeah, the 25th is when I was thinking would be okay. It sounded like I was saying 4-5 days after the regurge, but I meant 4-5 days after her next scheduled feeding.

Edit: Ah, Nanci to the rescue as always. Thanks :)
 
Corny Noob said:
I've already read it religiously a few times, but thankyou for posting again.
I want to just point out that this isn't another one of those "omg my snake regurged what do I do?!" topics, I was just upset and wanted someone to talk to :sobstory:

I know how you feel! Maizey just went through a multiple regurging spell. My first snake!! I thought I had it handled after the first one, but when it continued, I got really scared! She's had three meals now that stayed down, but I am still really scared until the third day passes and I'm sure the mouse is going to stay down. I can't even imagine how frightening it would be with a tiny hatchling. Maizey lost over 100g!

Nanci
 
Well thank god she's not a hatchling but a yearling, I would probally be crying.
Because I know how much I've read how very likely it is that hatclings die after regurgs cause their sooo tiny.
Of course Nagini is only 28g but at least she's bigger.
 
Just a weird concern. I know that most snakes do and should eat the food head first.
She ate it ass end first, could that has possibly made it difficult for her in anyway? I know it seems like I'm grasping at straws but I'm just trying to explore every option.
 
That doesn't matter. Snakes usually eat head first because the prey goes down easier that way. They don't seem to care that much with pinks and fuzzies, though. How the snake finds the head is it pokes around on the mouse and feels the direction of hair growth and looks for the hard skull- both of whilch are harder to determine on pinks and fuzzies.

Nanci
 
Alright just thought I'd rule it out.
When I dropped it in her feeding container the ass end was facing her so she just went for it first heh.
 
My guess is it was probably just too big. Just because they can get it down doesn't mean everything's ok.

Nanci
 
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