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Bekah

Bekah

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Okay...I've got a question for all you herp genetic geniuses! I 'm not sure exactly what I've got and the more I read the less I know! LOL! I have no knowledge on any of these genetic thingies with corns, but I'm hoping with some description to get an idea of exactly what type of corn I have.

Ren is a red snake with orange spots (not saddles) down his/her back. There are darker brownish-red lines that run laterally down his/her sides. Ren is completely lacking in pigment on his/her belly (almost a pearlescent white...very pretty). There are no black markings any where on this snake. S/he has regular orangey eyes with dark pupils.

I was reading a book that referred to amels as "only lacking in black pigmentation"...mentioned nothing about pink eyes, except as occurring in albinos. This site has lead me to believe, however, that amels have pink eyes, but aren't necessarily albinos. Needless to say, I'm confused. From what I've seen Ren looks like an okatee (sp?) with no pigmentation underneath.

Could anyone explain to me what exactly Ren is considered? Also any explanation of his/her genetics (in layman's terms) would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Sounds like a motley to me. Amels do have pink/red eyes. The same trait that causes your motley to have connected saddles (forming the "dots") also causes them to have clear, patternless bellies and also causes them to have very little black pigment, and sometimes none. :)
 
Do you have pictures?

So is the red in saddles? Or is it stripped?

I don't know much about corn morphs....but try looking at the pictures of various morphs in the photo gallery section or on www.serpenco.com to see what your snake looks like.
 
I just thought I'd post some examples of amel motleys and normal motleys...
Please tell us which one your snake most resembles.

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Now this one is NOT a motley. I decided to post it because it shows how confusing the colors can be. This snake LOOKS like an amel, but he isn't. (Sorry the pic is a little blurry)
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To Corn Crazy and leia:

Ren has stripes and saddles (more like spots) and those saddles are orangey.

S/he definitely does not look anything like the first two pictures or the last. Ren most closely resembles the snake in the third picture down...does that one have a solid white underside as well?

I don't have any pictures yet, but I'll try to get some with the digital camera and post them...if my computer will cooperate with me.

Let me just ask...the white belly in a red motley does't make it any different than a red motley without a white belly? I thought maybe there was something special about Ren's lack of pigmentation on his/her underside. Like I said...it's really quite beautiful...has a pearly sheen to it when seen in light and you can see a "muted" rainbow of sorts reflecting off those white scales.

PS...Corncrazy - I really like that snake in the first picture! What's is it's sex/age?
 
And to Carol...who I almost forgot (sorry)...

Just wanted to know if there was a name for the trait or does it just fall under the motley catergory?

Thanks!
 
The 1st, 3rd, and 5th snakes are all normal motleys. The 2nd and 4th are both amel motleys. Your snake is, I believe, a normal motley. Yours cannot be an amel motley because you said yours has dark pupils. An amel (or red albino) will not have black or brown on it, this includes the pupil.

And you understood correctly, amels, anerys, snows, etc. are not TRUE albinos. Snakes have at least three types of pigment. In order to truly be an albino, the snake would have to be missing all of the pigment types. An amel is only missing the black pigment. An anery is only missing the red pigment, and a snow is missing both the red and the black pigments. None of these are missing the yellow pigment, however.

All of the first five pictures are of motleys. They all have solid bellies. Not all motleys have solid white bellies, however. Some of them have a bit of color (mostly toward the tail end). The color, however, is a solid color. Motleys do not have checkers on their bellies.

The plain belly simply falls under the "motley" category. Striped corns also have solid colored bellies.

And the normal motley in the first picture is a 2000 or 2001 male. He was already pretty large (but not full grown) when I got him. I do not know his exact age.
 
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So, Terri, what IS the last snake that looks like an amel (from complete lack of dark on its dorsal side) but isn't? What brilliant colors!
Liz
 
Good question, Liz! I am not 100% sure. It comes from a line that produces quite a few different morphs. They are all possible het for MANY things. This little one was bought as a crimson, but definitely ISN'T a crimson. It is some kind of hypo, but I think it may be homozygous for some other traits, as well. I'm just not sure what.

I have quite an array of snakes from this line. This year, I bred a striped male from this line with a ghost motley. It was a horrible clutch, with only 3 good eggs. Only one of the eggs made it. I got a beautiful snow motley. The two eggs that didn't make it contained a ghost motley and another snow motley. That means my striped male is het for hypo, anery, and amel (at least). It also meant the female is het amel. Anyway, I look forward to the next few years as I do LOTS of breeding trials in order to try to determine the genetics of all of the snakes I have from this line. I have a few 2002's and some 2003's. I am also getting some 2004's from the breeder this season. It's one of the most fun lines I have.

I will try to post pictures of some of the other snakes from this line later this weekend. I will also answer your PM later. I'm about to head out to Nashville so I don't have time right now.
 
Corn Crazy,

Wow! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! In your general opinion would lack of belly pigmentation mean anything special for those who breed?
 
Bekah said:
Corn Crazy,

Wow! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! In your general opinion would lack of belly pigmentation mean anything special for those who breed?
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You're welcome! I'm glad I could help! I look forward to seeing pics of your snake as soon as you get some!

And yes, motleys and stripes tend to sell for a bit more than "non-motleys" so the belly pigmentation does make a difference. it is not ONLY the belly that matters, though. People tend to look for motleys with good dorsal patterns, also.
 
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