NFL QBs

[Drizzt80]

I think you missed this stat!!!

Wow, that was original. You sure you're not a Packer fan?

And I'm talking making plays when it counts, Ben is the best 3rd down player in the league. He makes plays with his athleticism and instincts after contact,

Back it up. Where's your quantifiable data?

unlike Eli who is a statue that has the best O-line in the NFL. Plus, how good was Eli's 3rd down efficiency without 6'5 Plaxico Burress?

You mean the same Eli that was sacked 19 times less than little Benny? Again, show me your 3rd down efficiency stats so we can compare.

D80

 

[Mlb_djs]

I will back up Michael on this one for the fact that Eli didn't meet his expectations this year...I think that is what really determines if a QB is the best or not...If he can fill out his shoes or not....but I do feel this year's lost something with Brady Injured but idk...not a whole lot of comp for the best QB

 

[Drizzt80]

Eli didn't meet his expectations this year...I think that is what really determines if a QB is the best or not

That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Every QB is expected to lead their team to the promised land. By your "expectations" standard, Matt Ryan and Chad Pennington are loooooads better than little Benny.

D80

 

[Mlb_djs]

ok let me rephrase that...rising above expectations helps to put you in the runnign for best QB....Yeah Ryan had a greta year...pennington not so much...you take out the wildcat and they got nothing really.

 

[Michael823]

mcnabb is more seasoned than big ben...but ben has done more in a shorter period of time than mcnabb...who back in 97 was compared to peyton...which means based on expectations he's awful...which brings up the reason ppl love ben...he blew away his expectations...A rookie going 15-1? amazing in itself

Exactly, it's ALL about winning. I just think people get way too caught up with how a player fits the prototypical QB build. Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have a clean style, that's why people overlook his abilities. All I know is that when I watch the playoffs I ignore conventional wisdom, and reg season stats. I watch the Manning's and Favre's throw the game winning INT when it really counts, and somehow someway Big Ben gets it done. There is no comparison between Mcnabb and Roethlisberger.
Among active QB's it clearly goes
1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Roethlisberger
It gets too polluted when you start adding players based on reg season stats. Otherwise players like Drew Brees, that can't win but have amazing stats, end up in the discussion.

 

[Mlb_djs]

that's what i'm saying...it all has to come together...some QB's have stats...some have wins...and some can lead....etc...but it's the QB's that can possess all these qualities like Ben and Tom and Peyton...that put them at the top....

 

[Drizzt80]

Give 'em a crappy TEAM and we'll see how well they lead. Brady will cry, Manning will pout, and little Benny will collapse.

You're right, the great one's put it all together and lead which goes all the way back to my original post. Your man-crush on little Benny is based on nothing more than him being on the right TEAM at the right time and getting a shiny trophy. Congrats!

D80

 

[Suzy]

Give 'em a crappy TEAM and we'll see how well they lead. Brady will cry, Manning will pout, and little Benny will collapse.

You're right, the great one's put it all together and lead which goes all the way back to my original post. Your man-crush on little Benny is based on nothing more than him being on the right TEAM at the right time and getting a shiny trophy. Congrats!

D80

Yeah, you could put them on last year's (or this year if Pioli doesn't get things shaped up) Chiefs! :rofl: Our "star" of last year was Tyler Thigpen. (Who? Yeah.)

 

[jazzgeek]

Wow, that was original. You sure you're not a Packer fan?

The tears of Vikings fans are best served with Bratwurst, Beer, and Cheese Curds. :sidestep:


Dale

 

[Chris Olson]

Yeah, you could put them on last year's (or this year if Pioli doesn't get things shaped up) Chiefs! :rofl: Our "star" of last year was Tyler Thigpen. (Who? Yeah.)

Now don't pick on Thiggy! Look at his stats versus Matt Cassel last year.....and then let them switch teams and see who ends up with one win and who ends up with eleven. Thigpen actually had a better year.

Chris O

 

[mike17l]

Warren Moon = #1 (at least in my eyes, and they ain't so good luckily)

 

[The_Thunderer]

If "carrying" a crappy team is one of the criteria, how can anyone NOT have Elway in there? Sure, he led 3 teams that lost 3 Superbowls in real BAD drubbings. BUT, put ANY other QB there and they wouldn't have made it past the 1st round of the playoffs in those years, IF that.

One thing about Big Ben... He's good and all, but I don't think he'll have longevity in him... he's been hurt pretty badly. I hope it doesn't happen, but I think his career will be cut short by injuries.

As a Cowboy fan, I think that Big Ben and Troy Aikman are comparable (he also had a "shortened" career). Troy's got 3 Superbowls... and no one mentions him... which is justifiable. However, unless stats have changed recently (ie, Favre), he's the winningest QB in ANY decade (from "America's Game" Episode 17, 1/31/07).

As for Warren Moon.... He IS up there in the stats as well. Glad that you mentioned him. LOL.

 

[Mlb_djs]

well i think Troy deserves to be mentioned becuz statistically he was one of the most accurate QB's in the history of the game...and like you said no QB has ever lead a crappy team to the SB and won besides Elway...so take the whole team outta the picture

 

[Drizzt80]

The tears of Vikings fans are best served with Bratwurst, Beer, and Cheese Curds.

Mmmm, tasty! :eatpointe

If "carrying" a crappy team is one of the criteria, how can anyone NOT have Elway in there?

I hope you weren't talkin' about me??!!

As with the giant, no particular order:
Marino, Montana, Elway, Tarkenton, Bradshaw, Favre, Unitas, I'd maybe throw in Young.

Troy's got 3 Superbowls... and no one mentions him...

I ain't done yet! If winning is the criteria the Roethlisburger-man-crush-people are using well then don't forget Aikman, Bart Starr, Namath, Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Ken Stabler, Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Jeff the Hoss(tetler), Mark Rypien, Kurt Warner, and the piece(s) de resistance: Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

Sorry to break it to ya Ben's good, but he's not top 5 all time good, nor is he top 10 all time good, I'd even say he's not top 20 all time good. He isn't even 2008 top 5 regardless of the fact his team won the SB. You'll live.

D80

 

[Drizzt80]

and like you said no QB has ever lead a crappy team to the SB and won besides Elway..

But plenty of TEAMS have taken crappy QB's to the SuperBowl, so take Roethlisburger out of the picture as well!! :crazy01:

D80

 

[Mlb_djs]

good pnt haha

 

[Michael823]

I really don't have any bias towards Ben Roethlisberger, I was dissing him in that championship game vs my favorite team the Ravens, until he won. I found myself making the same excuses for his success that you guys are. But after watching him continuously pull off comebacks, and finding a way on 3rd down to look like king kong shedding tackles and converting, I decided to call it like it is. He has the skills that don't show up on paper, leadership, poise, drive, escapability, and above all the ability to grind it out to get a win (pretty or not). I think they're a few others that may stay in the top 5 realm to knock him [Ben] out, Elway, Favre, etc.. but I'm putting him temporarily above those guys based on how quickly he has achieved this type of success. He may fizzle out due to injuries, but I'm willing to bet that he will continue to win and possibly end his career with a few more super bowls.

 

[Drizzt80]

But after watching him continuously pull off comebacks, and finding a way on 3rd down to look like king kong shedding tackles and converting,

Fine fine fine. I realize you're in love with the guy, but back this statement up. Show me the 3rd down stats and comeback stats to back this up. And don't forget to include how he ranks against other GREAT quarterbacks in those areas. Please? Otherwise it's just your man-crush talking.

D80

 

[Ricky87]

My top 5 QB's all time would have to go as followed:

1. Tom Brady (yeah he has guys around him, but if having guys around you meant auto-championship than their should be alot more guy's with rings)

2. Joe Montana (4 superbowls just about seals it)

3. Peyton Manning (He has every skill you could want in QB, and is probably the most intelligent QB of all-time)

4. John Elway (Probably the most athletic QB that can still throw Hall-of-fame-like passes)

5. Brett Favre (people may dis-agree, but he is one of the best leaders of all-time, and he has one of the best arms of all time)

Troy Aikman is good, but he had the NFL's all-time rusher, and he just doesn't pass my test for all-time greatness. Terry Bradshaw was decent, but he had a lower career rating than Tim Couch, 2 HOF recievers, and one of the best defenses of all time.
Dan Marino was also great, but he never won a superbowl, so their is no way he get's my vote.
As for Roethlisberger, he may not be the prettiest player you've ever seen, but he is a flat out winner. He makes plays without a good o-line, his running backs were banged up all season, and he will go down as an arguable top 5 QB. I would not be surprised if he ends his career with at least 4 superbowl rings, and I can all but gaurantee he'll make it back to the big game this upcoming season.

 

[mike17l]

Troy Aikman is good, but he had the NFL's all-time rusher, and he just doesn't pass my test for all-time greatness.

Not going to knock "your test", but wouldn't having an all-time rusher on a team potentially hurt, and not help a QB? Not Saying Troy was the best, I just do not see your logic.